Would Lennox Lewis's Jab Cuddle Antics Have Worked Vs Today's Super Heavyweights?

Sure if you want to ignore certain facts you can mitigate the win. Doesn't change the fact it's an excellent win.

 

The facts are dressing. Usyk beating Joshua doesn't make it any better than say, Ruiz beating Joshua just because Usyk came from cruiser. I mean you can say Usyk's win is a better P4P win, absolutely but getting back to my actual point it doesn't make him "far better" than Vitali as an actual heavyweight in the ring.

P4P you can say it makes him better than Vitali all day long. Is he "far better" than Vitali in the ring as a heavyweight? It's a no from me and i think it's self explanatory. To be "far better" than Vitali you'd have to be pretty special. If he, say, goes on to beat Fury convincingly then we could revisit this one, absolutely.

 

They worked fine against better quality heavyweights, so that's a yes!
And by the way, there's still no such thing as super heavyweights (only in the amateurs). Heavyweight is a division without a limit, so even 7'0", 320lbs Valuev was just a heavyweight.

 

What does P4P have anything to do with it? It was a heavyweight bout. Facts aren't "dressing", they're facts. Coming from cruiserweight holds significant weight, as the last one to do it as successfully was Holyfield.

 

Coming from cruiserweight doesn't make him a better "heavyweight" and nor does it make him a "far better" heavyweight than Vitali. That's everything in a nutshell.

 

Usyk would box circles around Vitali. He beat AJ in a dominant fashion, which makes him better than practically every other heavyweights in the division bar Fury.

 

Lennox KO's all of them.

 

That's a big call at this stage of the game, very big. Vitali's resume is quite thin but he wasn't losing barely any rounds at all over a long period of time.

I'd agree it's fair to claim Usyk is the second best in the division.

But again for me that doesn't make him "far better" than Vitali.

Just to be clear, based on your post you believe Usyk is "far better" than Vitali yes?

I'm fluid on Usyk. I am quite happy to wait until after the Joshua rematch and hopefully a bout against Fury before getting too carried away. It would embarrass quite a few if Joshua did somehow turn it around and win the rematch.

 

I think Usyk is simply the better fighter. Admittedly I haven't seen a lot of Vitalis fights, but I don't see what he can bring to trouble Usyks chin, footwork and overall output.

Joshua avenging his loss isn't necessarily a nail in Usyks coffin as well, AJ has brutal stopping power when he wants it. Too many people place unwarranted value on a fighters zero.

 

Vitali's workrate for a huge guy was highly impressive. He also had clubbing power and kept them coming. His size, workrate and durability would bring plenty to the table against Usyk. I'd certainly rate Vitali above Joshua and he's certainly got far more stamina and durability.

It wouldn't be a nail but it sure wouldn't see him "far better" than Vitali that's for certain which is the core of what i am on about.

Personally i'd solidly favor Usyk in the rematch. Johsua could be more aggressive but he'd also gas too if the aggression didn't pay off.

 

Couldnt knock out a completely shot holyfield

 

This would be the Holyfield who would fight on for another 10ish years and would only be stopped twice? in a HOF career. Hardly shot.
After loosing to Lewis Evander would go on to beat Ruiz for a belt, beat Rahaman Oquendo and a couple of others and should probably have a win over Valuev. Holyfields later career is a good as some b level heavy's.

That being said Lewis gives pretty much of all of this generation plenty to think about but stopping them all is probably a stretch.

 

name calling, very nice. facts obviously aren't your strong suit.

 

That's a little rich from the one who responded by calling me a moron.
So by your own standards facts are obviously an issue for you.....

 

I agree when it comes to comparing the two Wilder couldn't finish his dinner. If Lennox did knock Fury down and Fury beats the count then Lennox would be on him like flies on poop, somebody getting up just confused Wilder.