Would Lucian Bute have a higher chance of beating Joe Calzaghe or Mikkel Kessler?

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I am glad you are back on track! I'm going to listen to you more now!:p

    Kessler KO 8 you say...:-(

    ...no KO at all I say...:yep

    I wouldn't make a money bet with friends anyway...we'll have to think of something more appropriate...maybe an interesting book or so...You send me you favourite boxing book with a friendly dedication if you lose and I'll send you my favourite book on the subject of your choice, with a friendly dedication...if I lose...or can you think of something more appropriate?:think
     
  2. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    When Calzaghe is on, he's very strong mentally, the Bika fight is not an example of this but there are plenty of others. Calzaghe has heart, anyone who tells you otherwise is foolish, do you really see him quitting ever?

    I don't. He's won some painful matches where he was underprepared and broke his hands and had to grind out a win, if that isn't mental toughness, what is?:lol:

    That being said as well, I scored Calzaghe-Bika an easy 118-110 for Joe, where as I scored Bika-Bute 116-111 for Bute and could have even gone as far as 115-112 if I wanted to stretch it.

    Bute is not more mentally tough than Calzaghe, he's not proven that at all yet. I think bute is mentally tough, but he has plenty to show at only 20 fights.

    Secondly, Bute does not hit harder than Calzaghe, the power is nearly the same, with one guy much quicker and we know who that is.

    Bute has little chance against Joe, would need Joe to bust both hands just to really have a good chance, and even then Calzaghe can exploit his defencive holes and use experience to grind out a win... and Bute has ZERO chance vs. Kessler.

    Stay away from Kessler Lucian, it will end your career.:deal
     
  3. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Or a set of fights on DVD or something, things that everyone, no matter how knowledgable a fan needs to have and study to learn little the little intracracies of the fight game.

    I shutter at the thought of a nice guy like Lucian recieving such a massive beating though... and I am not being a ****, I have nothing against Bute, this is just what will happen.:|
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I will take your advice this time...!:good

    (what a career, too!:lol: )

    still...I would hope that Bute gets into the ring with Kessler and does his best. If he does that, I would be proud!:yep Somehow I have the feeling that he will!:happy
     
  5. DoumB

    DoumB HOYA KO1 PRESSCOT Full Member

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    I strongly disagree on that amstrerdam, altough I feel kessler is too much right now for Bute, he would not tko or KO him, bute fight too inteligent for that, hes strong and proly hitting harder then JC, right now I think he would not win against either but after JC vs MK, ill have to make a choice but Bute is very underrated, hes a local guy here and have all the potential to become the next big thing
     
  6. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    The problem is DoumB is that Kessler will establish that jab right in Bute's face from the very first minute of the fight and will follow up with a right hand that will land equally as easy because Bute's defence is open for jabs and rights.

    When you have a leaky defence, are overly hesistant when hit at times and are open for another top class fighter's best weapon, possibly the best 1-2 in all of boxing, how are you going to last?

    Especially when the guy is a punishing hitter that breaks you down.

    Brutal destruction, BRUTAL.
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    DVDs sounds good!

    This is what I like about Bute - his moral courage! He will put himself through that pain because he wants to be the best he can be! The glory that comes with doing well in a fight like that will make the pain bearable!;)
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    You wouldn't want him to lose everything round, be damaged and bloody and have to throw in the towel would you?

    You feel he'd win because he's your favourite and you're being optimistic, I am realistic as to whom Kessler beats and Bute is tailor made for him to tee off on, Kessler has EXCELLENT timing and masterful combinations....

    Bute lacks Calzaghe's agility, defence and awkwardness to give Kessler hell, he's a "poor mans" Calzaghe, but more orthodox, which makes it even easier for Kessler to deal with.
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    The reason why I hesitate to wholeheartedly agree with "Brutal" is that he didn't brutally destroy Andrade, even though...man...Andrade was punished...Why cannot Bute stand what Andrade stood, and also hit back...he wouldn't just stand there like Andrade did...he will go into the ring with a different mentality! He'll go in to win, not to survive!
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Bute will not throw in the towel...NEVER...! He might not be good enough to win, but he's no loser! He'll take whatever punishment comes his way like a man...but he won't be a passive victim...he'll hit back! He sure as hell will!:bbb
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    If he goes into win, he gets stopped even easier, gives Kessler more openings.

    The reason Andrade didn't get stopped is because Andrade has one of the best chins that I have personally ever seen, it was absolute insanity what he was able to take and keep going....

    Yet some of these guys on this site claim that Taylor has a good chin!:lol:

    Taylor would have been put out by round 3 against Kessler, yet Andrade and other guys with inhuman punch resistance can take that type of punishment and be okay.

    Andrade gets my "chin of the year" so far, absolutely INSANE. I could not believe what I was watching...
     
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    sure, you are right!

    Let us not forget though that Bute is still learning. He will not be put into the ring with ANYONE whom he doesn't have a good chance of beating...when he steps into the ring with Calzaghe and Kessler, this will also apply...it won't be the same Bute that we saw against Bika...it will be a much better Bute...just think where he was 18 months ago...(before Thysse, Mock and Toney); think where he will be 18 months from now, after Berrio, first defence (Mundine?) and Calzaghe!:lol:
     
  13. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :good three would be better!
     
  14. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I'd pick Mundine over the Bute that fought Bika, let that be known, if Bute improves then I'd pick Bute.

    Mundine's laser right would seemingly cut Bute up also at the moment.
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Let's hope will see these two fight soon! Maybe in April/May 2008?

    ...My point is that with Bute on the scene, SMW will see great fights...there won't be much ducking anymore!