Would Martinez/Chavez II turn out like Martinez/Williams II?

maybe. or martinez doesnt break his hand again, cuts him up even worse and avoids the one moment chavez had in the fight.

martinez doesnt have to change anything. he just can't get sloppy in the last round like he did. 11+ rounds of a horrendously one sided ass beating...he doesnt need to change anything. if anyone needs to change its chavez.

 

pretty sure staples in his head was an injury requiring attention post fight.

either way. avoiding one single moment from a far inferior fighter is a small hiccup next to the mountain chavez would have to overcome to be effective.

i'm amazed that people are surprised?! chavez is a big strong kid but he's fought no one.

 

Going on the rematch, Chavez knows that:

1. He can hurt Martinez.
2. He can take on Martinez's punches for 12 rounds and still blast Martinez away.
3. Martinez style would revolve on what transpired in the first 11 rounds.

On the other hand, Martinez knows that:

1. Chavez can hurt him.
2. Chavez can take his punches.
3. Chavez will probably not gonna get KTFOd by him.

So we will have a more confident and more accustomed (to the Martinez style of fighting) Chavez, and a more cautious Martinez. If Chavez is more confident, he will let his hands go, and who knows what will happen if punches way stronger than that thrown in the 12th round connects in the early rounds? And Chavez could devise a better game plan (styles could be adjusted if prepared for well enough). On the other hand, a more cautious Martinez may mean less openings for Chavez but would also mean less punches from Martinez. IMO, given these new variables, it would make for a fight far different from the first one.

 

If there's one person I expect to make tactical adjustments in a rematch, it's a person with the remarkably high ring IQ of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

 

i doubt it, the Williams KO was just a perfect shot on a perfect opening vs a guy who can take

he hasnt done it since and i doubt he can on JR

 

That's why you got a team to help you out, Mr. High IQ.

And his round 12 adjustment, wasn't that correct? I highly doubt, that many fighters, after getting their ass beat by a clearly superior fighter could adjust like that in the end. Im sure most would just fold like the others.

Also, Chavez need not even adjust. He just needs to let his hands go. He surely would, now that he knows he can hurt Martinez.

 

it may very well wind up differently. crazier things have happened. i've heard around the 4th-ish round is when sergio's hand went. i doubt sergio would drop him with one shot but if roach was about the halt the fight in the 10th round, half of those rounds having sergio fighting with one hand, i think its just as likely that the fight is different for other reasons. mainly that roach has to throw the towel in.

but hey, chavez is a strong kid. he may find a way to cut the ring off or at least keep sergio trapped when he has his back against the ropes. i don't know what kind of mental toughness jr has. i don't know if he'll use this as motivation or pout about it and not learn from it. there's talk of him acting like a spoiled brat in camp. i don't know.

we'll see.

 

He's had crack team for years and has shown marginal improvements and no adjustsments in the ring.

LOL @ calling what happened in round 12 as an adjustment. There was no strategy or plan, he simply threw caution to the wind and caught a tired and reckless Martinez who still insisted on standing toe to toe. The reason he couldn't let his hands go earlier is because he didn't like what was coming back at him every time he did so (that is when his sloppy footwork actually let him get one or two shots off). Trying to do so earlier in a rematch will only result in his face getting even more busted up than it was at the end of this fight.