Would Miguel Cotto be better off if he faced Andre Berto instead of Yuri Foreman?

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  1. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In terms of risk vs reward and for his reputation, will a win over Andre Berto rejuvenate Miguel Cotto's status back into the welterweight elite? Or does a fight with Yuri Foreman bring more to the table?

    (assuming he were to win both)
     
  2. pound

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    yeah. I don't know why he'd go up to fight Foreman. He'd look like **** at 150+lbs.
     
  3. Boxed Ears

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    That's an excellent and interesting question. I have no idea. Berto has much more pop and yet I don't think he's got the durability and killer instinct against higher level opposition like Cotto. I think it could go either way. Cotto can hurt Berto, Berto can wear Cotto down if he lets his hands go enough. It would make Cotto a 3-time welterweight titlist but Foreman gives him an interesting legacy bit. A title in a third weight class and he offers much less pop in his punches. But I'd worry that the volume would eventually hurt him and the guy is about the same size as Margarito. Cotto is taking risk with both guys considering the wear and tear he's already had. All in all, I'd slightly lean towards Foreman but I'm not sure about that either.
     
  4. Arriba

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    I think Berto is easily the better fight in terms of risk vs reward. If Cotto beats Berto, he's back in the saddle as a legit WW champion and can always angle himself into a fight vs the loser of Money/Mosley OR even a "**** it" fight against Hatton at 147.

    Foreman is just nasty stylistically and not a big enough name to really take any credit for it.
     
  5. DLSC

    DLSC Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IMO, Cotto will be better off fighting Berto for WW title. I can't picture Cotto doing better @ a higher weight div. Cotto belongs in WW.
     
  6. dbouziane

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    i've been speculating in other threads about this so i'll stay consistant...

    yuri is a slippery fighter but he is the poster child for feather fists. he could fight inside a wet paper bag but he he couldnt punch his way outta one. cotto has looked very good in both his losses before being broken down by pressure and stamina. hell against margo he looked better in those first 6 rounds than anything ive seen from him in a while. he will not be broken down against foreman. i can see him eeking out a points win. i agree in that i am skeptical about im at 154 but i feel he can jab and go to the body w/o fear of being broken down by the light punching foreman. i expect the body shots to slow foreman down as well as the fight wears on.

    when he wins he will have a 154lb title and arum will probably be looking to cash him out. this is when i predict he will fight paul williams after williams beats cintron. i know all about the past but this aint the past. arum will set it up and cotto will be forced to take it or retire. so why not take the huge payday a williams fight would bring. it will line arum's pockets which trumps the fighters preference at the end of the day when the bobfather is looking to cash you out.

    berto is a lower reward fight. pac/pbf/ssm will be all fighting eachother in one way or another. so unless cotto wants to be the fall back option like clottey was, he'll take his chance to actually take a strap of a reigning champ (which he hasnt done a whole lot of in the past) and cash out on that.

    all conjecture on my part. feel free to rip it apart :good
     
  7. Atritionist

    Atritionist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You've seen what a good uppercut can do to Cotto. Margo got him with it, Pac dropped him with it, and both Clottey and Judah stunned him with the upper. Berto throws a great, solid and fast uppercut. At this point in Cottos career, he needs to stay away from Berto. Yeah Foreman is a bigger guy, but he doesn't posses those fast heavy hands like Berto. Cottos' confidense is not were it needs to be for a fight against the likes of Berto right now.
     
  8. Boxed Ears

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    His uppercut is a very good point. I didn't think of that. He uses it a lot more than most. That little combo hook to uppercut move is pretty effective.
     
  9. bald_head_slick

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    I was thinking the same thing. Slightly different twist though as to the aftermath.

    Let's say he wins both? If he has the WW strap? He is right back in the shark tank when we all know he doesn't have enough left. If he wins the LM strap? He rides off into the sunset making history and leaving the people saying, "Could he come back?". Especially if Mosley does a number on Mayweather (which I doubt).

    Let's say he loses both? At WW it just confirms the whispers of it being over. Nothing left to do but leave or end up like Roy Jones. At LM? If he puts on even a decent show? He reached for the moon and will land among the stars.

    I just hope his stamina holds and he can hang in there with a guy that works like Yuri.
     
  10. Arriba

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    One punch isn't going to overcome the fact that Cotto has the superior jab, the better body work, better ring awareness and a massive edge in big fight experience.
     
  11. bald_head_slick

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    This is boxing. It is often one punch that changes everything.
     
  12. Boxed Ears

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    I can't argue with any of that really. Good post. :good
     
  13. Arriba

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    If you want to simplify it then sure, it is often one punch that changes everything. I'm simply stating that the factors (ALL of them) tilt to the side of Cotto in a fight against Berto unless Miguel is truly in "cash it in" mode. One punch can "change" everything but 9/10 the law of averages will play out.
     
  14. bald_head_slick

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    I am not a Cotto fan, but man I REALLY have respect for the guy. I want him to take some time and get his corner and camp right before he makes a stab at coming back.
     
  15. dbouziane

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    doubt anyone would argue with that my man :good