would mike tyson be significant in todays heavyweight division ?

H2H speaking whilst wlad has a seeming stylistic weakness to tyson's weave and hook styles, i'd still give wlad a much better chance vs vitali.

Vitali has a better chin but he's clearly inferior to wladimir. Vitali couldn't even stop byrd getting inside so how's he gonna stop mike?

Atleast wlad has that atg jab straight and keeping people on the outside is his specialty.

If someone today can beat tyson that someone is wlad. Peak for peak I make tyson a slight favourite.

 

It has nothing to do with physical attributes. His resume is what counts. Who he beat and how. I didn't claim that Wlad has an amazing resume. They both beat most of the top ten guys in their respective eras. I'm just saying both eras are pretty similar. Tyson beat everyone put in front of him until someone stood up to him and had the skill and toughness to back it up. I simply argue that the Klitschkos have the physical attributes, the skill, and yes the toughness (especially the mental toughness) to give Tyson a hard fight. Would Mike beat Wlad? Maybe. Hard to say, considering it's all hypothetical.

I specifically stated that Tyson is top 20 all-time at heavy. He has a very good resume overall, and some impressive wins. But a lot of people look far too hard at his style and aggression and reputation from 20 plus years ago. People often overlook how he would be manhandled inside by supposedly inferior fighters, or how frustrated and out of sorts he would get against opponents that didn't wilt. Tyson was great in many respects, but he is not measurably better all-time than Wlad, taking resume into account. And I still argue head to head would be a tossup.

I took a very moderate position, just one that doesn't worship at the altar of Iron Mike.

 

total utter twat.......

He would destroy every single heavyweight wlad and vitali have beaten, and look far more impressive than any of them ever did!

As for tyson vs wlad/vitali, only a fool would say he would be IRRELEVENT

 

deal:deal

 

All the times Tyson went the distance in his prime (when he was with Rooney) was against taller fighters who held him like he was a lover...scared of getting knocked out--James Tillis, Mitch Green, Bonecrusher Smith, and Tony Tucker. He also won unanimous decisions against all of them.

Prime Lewis runs and holds on for dear life, and gets either TKO-ed or loses via unanimous decision; Prime Lewis isnt hurting Prime Tyson enough to back him off. That chin is granite.

 

I compare Holmes to the same as Lewis yeah. Lewis was fighting at the top because boxing was going into a weak era and 'top' wasn't much. He was the same age as Holmes and he was huffing and puffin away in his fight with Vitali and can barely able to throw many punches in the fight. The guy was a fat arse and an outta shape. Take a look at the fight again and see his pot belly. Damn if you can't tell he was past it. What is the difference?

okay granted that he took 11 days notice. Maybe it was a big factor but tough ****, the result still stand. He lost and his face was mashed in his only significant fight yet you are claiming he is GOAT from his lost. wtf?

The only thing stupid is claiming Vitali is a greater boxer when he lost his only meaningful fight yet call Tyson overrated when he blasted away everybody in his prime and unified the heavyweight division as the youngest champion in history.

Can't beat him on that and can't beat him on skillset. The only thing you can claim is that Vitali is a bigger man ergo Tyson must lose to him. Bollocks to that if it is all about size.

 

yeah can you? atsch

fking idiot

 

At first i was like






but then I was like :-(

 

Tyson would roll right thru today's division just like he did in the 80's. He would have Wlad shook to the core in the first couple rounds and out of there soon after. Vit would require a steady beating, which Tyson would eagerly deliver.

 

Wlad wouldn't step in a ring with him.

Vitali would get knocked out cold.

 

Do you at least recognise that his is a complete boxer in terms of physical attributes? And mentally he was a bad arse from day one and only lost his way later on.

Also, I don't particularly care too much about resume when his fights tells me all that is needed to know to rate the guy. He lost to Douglas but that guy fought a blinder in the fight and Tyson was getting complacent by that time but his later losses he was already losing his way and you can't say being in prison for all that time did not diminish his skills.

A Prime Tyson would mow down everyone in this path 'cos he had everything and that is why I rate him so much. Unless you can tell me why he actually suxed at something in boxing I can't see why he shouldn't be rated as such.

Anybody that could fight like him would be a bad arse period. Offence, defence, speed, workrate, everything you think a boxer need he had it.

 

Now do Wlad and Vitali the same way, and criticize their comp like you did Lennox's

 

prime tyson: head movement, thunder in both hands, unstopable today

 

Which Tyson we talkin bout?

 

Results matter. Resume matters. What actually happens in the fights and who they are against matters. I have already acknowledged Tyson's physical attributes and talents. It doesn't diminsh his weaknesses. He wasn't flawless. He had weaknesses even when mowing down the same level fighters Wlad has beaten. Sure he looked good much of the time. He didn't always look good, though. And I'm pretty sure Wlad is better than Tony Tucker. You can't just look at Tyson's good points and Wlad's not so good points and ignore the opposite. Tyson looking like a badass against Pinklon Thomas is nice and all, but doesn't make me think he would do the same to fighters a full level above Thomas, such as the Brothers Klitschko.