Would money mayweather defeat everyone pacman has faced?

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  1. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    I don't think his actual original performance against Pacquiao was bad or particularly worse than his old career. He freaking brawled with him for fun in the 12th round in that fight. That's not something a shot fighter does.
     
  2. snipe200

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    Morales was faded and the loss to Raheem after the Pac victory showed this. Chavez lost to Carlos Gerena as well, and Floyd toyed with Carlos. Barrera was past his best but still good enough to give guys like Juarez a tough fight.
     
  3. snipe200

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    :rofl
     
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    :deal
     
  5. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    When did Mayweather ever rematch anyone except Castillo! Although he fought 2 jesus chavez'. Do I have to type jesus chavez, jesus chaves as well?

    The problem with *****s is that they thinbk they are so smart and monopolize boxing knowledge when all they are are actually idiots.
    If you want to paste boxrec, then so be it.

    Mayweather's entire resume consist only of 41 fights, and only a few notable names that it would not even take an idiot 1 minute to memorize it.
     
  6. eze

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    :lol:

    Hernandez x2. :rofl:rofl

    "Cannot be bothered to type Genaro and Carlos.

    :lol::lol:
     
  7. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    at 130 he is only second behind AA.....some people just cant fathom giving the man credit...its sickening.
     
  8. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Actually there was nothing wrong with that. If a guy fought two different smiths. I would have put Smith 2x. You guys man..Youre a bunch of internet nerds. You think you know ****. This is why ESB Gen Forum is known as the Sherdog of boxing..what? bet you didnt know that.
     
  9. Swarmer

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    I just think Kid Chocolate was an amazing fighter.
     
  10. pejevan

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    :thumbsup That is more like it! But the GOAT? That is stretching it a bit unless you are a *****id with hemorrhoid.

    The names of great fighters at 130 is not much. Infact, there was alre4ady an article somewhere lisitng Mayweather as number 1 (By an american writer)but they could barely come up with credible top 5 much less top 10. But Arguello is the top man at 130.

    Here it is actualy:

    By Brent Matteo Alderson
    1. Floyd Mayweather- Statistically, Mayweather, Arguello, and Chavez are very similar. Both Chavez and Mayweather successfully defended their titles on nine different occasions during the course of three year reigns while Arguello defended his title on eight different occasions during the course of 2 ½ years. At 130 pounds Mayweather defeated four men who had either been title holders or would become organizational champions while Chavez defeated three and Arguello four. None of the aforementioned fighters officially unified the title, but Floyd fought and beat Diego Corrales who had impressively reigned as the IBF 130 pound champion for over a year prior to facing Floyd and was unjustly stripped of the title due to political shenanigans.
    Floyd should be ranked first because of his dominance at the weight, his longevity, and quality of opposition. He won the title from Genaro Hernandez, a man who had accumulated twelve title fight wins of his own and who had never lost at the weight. Then he immediately defended it against Angel Manfredy who had just stopped Gatti and who was on a 17-fight win streak. Then he dominated an undefeated Diego Corrales, a man who was viewed as one of the ten best pound for pound fighters in the world.
    A number of people, discredit that win and claim that Diego was weak from making weight, but I disagree with that assertion. After serving time in Prison for spousal abuse, Diego Corrales went back down to 130 pounds and even weighed in the 120’s for his first bout with Casamayor. If Diego had such a hard time making 130, then why did he continue to fight at that weight years later when his body was more mature? I think the boxing establishment’s criticisms of Roy Jones’s victory over James Toney and Floyd Mayweather’s over Corrales are retaliatory since members of the media were perturbed by how both Mayweather and Jones started acting more like managers and not hall of fame fighters trying to establish a lasting legacy.
    Still Floyd didn’t duck anybody at 130 and should be ranked as the division’s best champion because he dominated a quality group of challengers and wasn’t tested until after he moved up to Lightweight and none of the other champions on this list dominated to the extent in which the Pretty Boy did, and that’s why he’s the greatest junior-lightweight in history.

    2. Alexis Arguello - The battle for the second place spot between Chavez and Arguello was a lot closer than the battle for the top spot between Mayweather and Arguello due to the fact that Arguello was an exceptional fighter and an exceptional champion. Arguello won the title from the formidable Alfredo Escalera, who himself had made ten defenses of the WBC 130 pound title, and defended it on eight different occasions. His list of knockout victims as WBC 130 pound champ include Bobby Chacon, Boza Edwards, and Bazooka Limon, three men that ended up trading the title around for a three year period after Arguello moved up to Lightweight. Of his eight challengers, only Arturo Leon lasted the route. Also, Arguello had major physical advantages at 130 pounds. He had a 76-inch reach, a very good chin, excellent conditioning, and a huge heart.
    3. Julio Cesar Chavez- Chavez won the vacant WBC 130 pound title when he was 22-years old when he defeated Mario Martinez for the vacant title. He then proceeded to defend the title on nine different occasions during the course of a three year reign and a number of those wins came against quality fighters such as Rocky Lockridge, Juan LaPorte, and Ruben Castillo. The main reason that I ranked Chavez below Mayweather and Arguello is due to the fact that he wasn’t as dominant of a champion even though he left the division with a record of 56-0. The fights with Lockridge and LaPorte were razor thin decisions and Chavez himself commented after his victory over LaPorte that the decision could have gone either way and one judge had the Lockridge fight a draw. Also Floyd and Arguello beat respected champions in Genaro Hernandez and Alfredo Escalera while Chavez beat the unproven Martinez. Still unlike most fighters Chavez seemed to improve as he rose in weight and even though he didn’t stay at Lightweight that long, I feel like Chavez was at his best at 135, just watch his fights with Edwin Rosario and Jose Luis Ramirez.
    4. Azumah Nelson- Consistency, longevity, class. What more can you say about Azumah Nelson? From the time Nelson beat Mario Martinez for the vacant WBC title in 1988 until he finally lost the title for the last time in 1997, the Professor left an indelible mark on the division and established himself as one of the greatest 130 pounders in history. In all he defended the WBC title on eleven different occasions and during that time he dotted his resume with a number of well regarded pugilists. Title fight victims include Jeff Fenech, Jesse James Leija, Gabriel Ruelas, Mario Martinez, Juan LaPorte, and Calvin Grove. And after earning a dubious draw in his first fight against Jeff Fenech, undoubtedly the greatest fighter in Australian history, Nelson went over to Melbourne and handed the tough Aussie his first loss and erased the controversy surrounding their first fight. Then at the age of 37, after having lost his title in his previous fight nineteen months before, he came back to knockout Gabe Ruelas in five rounds and then validated his position as the best 130 pounder in the world by knocking out Leija, the man who had taken his title.
    Quite simply Nelson was a great fighter, but his dominance and sub-par performances hurt his ranking. He looked awful in his title winning victory over Mario Martinez and won by split decision and almost everyone who saw his first fight with Fenech feels he lost. Also, most observers felt he lost the first fight with Leija, which was declared a draw, and his first victory over Ruelas was by majority decision. Still these are all very good world class fighters and having the type of success that Azumah had against these types of fighters is an accomplishment and secures his place among the 130 pound greats.

    5. Flash Elorde - Along with Manny Pacquiao, Elorde is considered to be the greatest fighter in Philipino history. He was a quick southpaw with a powerful left hand and had seventy fights before he won the title. He reigned for seven years, a division record, as undisputed champion and made ten successful defenses. During his reign as champion he lost in title tries to Sandy Saddler and Carlos Ortiz for the featherweight and Lightweight World Championships. Today thanks to Pacquioa’s success, people are starting to remember what a fine champion Flash was and a couple of years ago, Nigel Collins, the editor of Ring Magazine, went over to the Philippines for an award ceremony involving the Pac-Man and the government cleared up Elorde’s grave site and conducted a special ceremony commemorating his career .
    6. Brian Mitchell - Brian Mitchell successfully defended his title twelve times, which is the division’s record for consecutive successful title defenses. He also beat his IBF counterpart, Toney Lopez, the second time they fought in September of 1991 after having fought to a draw the first time. He won the title from the ordinary Afredo Layne and besides title fight wins over Tony Lopez, Jim McDonnell, and Frankie Mitchel, most of the guys were no-hopers. Still, Mitchell beat a very good fighter in Tony Lopez and only lost once in a career that spanned 49 fights and avenged that loss early in his career. The problem that historians have with ranking Mitchell higher is that during much of the time that he was WBA champ, Azumah Nelson was his WBC counterpart and odds makers would have made the Ghanaian at least a two to one favorite to beat the South African. Mitchell probably deserves more accolades than he’s given, but being the sixth best champion in a division’s history isn’t such a bad thing.
    7. Genaro Hernandez - Won the WBA title that was stripped from Brian Mitchell for taking a return match with Tony Lopez and successfully defended it on eight different occasions. Then he vacated the title to move up to challenge Oscar De La Hoya at Lightweight in 1995. After getting stopped by De La Hoya in six, he beat an old, but still dangerous Azumah Nelson for the WBC title in 97 and defended it three times, which included a twelve round decision over future title holder Carlos Hernandez. He lost that title to Floyd Mayweather. In all he made eleven defenses during the course of two different reigns and only lost twice in his career and those were to two future hall of famers.

    8. Tod Morgan - Many of Morgan’s bouts are undocumented and his record is in concise, but he first laid claim to the 130 pound title in 1925 and lost it in 1929 and along with Flash Elorde was one of the champions that helped legitimize and establish the division.
    9. Alfredo Escalera- Escalera made ten defenses during a two and a half year reign against average opposition and lost his WBC title in a thrilling shoot out with Alexis Arguello, which is partly the reason why he’s rated so highly on the list.
    10. Sammy Serrano - Was the WBA champ from 76 – 83 on two different occasions and made 13 defenses of the title.
     
  11. eze

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    a person would only put "Smith x2" if they fought the same Smith.
     
  12. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Whether he made a mistake or he meant to put it down that way:huh, ...are you getting my point?
     
  13. pejevan

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    Whatever!
     
  14. pejevan

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    So that is the rule now?

    I know Mayweather more than any fighters because I hate to hell his idiotic *****s who pretend to have the monopoly to boxing knowledge!!

    I thought it is a common knowledge that the only fighter Mayweather rematched was Castillo but then again, apparently you have to be very specific when it comes to Mayweather optherwise his pedantic and obsessive-compulsive floydettes would tajke that as an insult.

    Alright then, to correct it, Mayweather fought two Hernandez' in 130 division, Genaro and Carlos. But they are still both not ATG materials, so who cares.
     
  15. Bladegunner

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