Would Muhammad Ali have been Dropped by Povetkin's Left Hook?

I think Povetkin has enough power in his left to knock him down, but so did most people he fought, and theres at least half a dozen people on Ali's record that hit harder than Povetkin.

Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper knocked him down when he was still just a kid really 20 and 21 respectively, by the time he grew into his body he took shots off of superior boxers, and stronger punchers compared to Povetkin.

So the only knockdown that really matters to me for the sake of this is Frazier, and considering that they went 41 rounds with each other, and knowing that Frazier had one of the meatiest left hooks of all time,
and he could still only land that perfect left hook to put him down once.

In 41 rounds.


Nah, I don't give Povetkin much of a chance in this one.

 

Anyone could drop anyone if they catch them clean with a good hook.

Lmao at "one of the nastiest ever". He couldn't even become a champion in the weakest era the division has ever known.

 

What the hell are you talking about? weakest era ever known? The Klitschkos were legitimate all time top 15 h2h heavyweights, maybe even top 10 at a stretch and Pov only lost to Wlad during that era.

 

Exactly what I said. The klinchko era was pitifully bad.

 

I think so, and I think that this would be one of those surprisingly good fights, but Ali would win.

 

I have been into this with a couple of people, lately, and I would like to chime in.

It was a stinker or an era, because you had two brothers, who were talented and much, much bigger than the other best guys in it, splitting the title and fishing for competition. When you have challengers like Leapai, Pianeta, and Johnson, yeah, it stinks.

Now, that much being said perception is more than reality:

A) If there were no Klitschkos, we would remember it as an excellent era in which talented, smaller heavies like Ibragmiov, Povetkin, Chagaev, Haye, Gomez, Adamek, and even Peter fought entertaining feuds and switched titles. What is more, guys coming up from the cruisers, such as Cunningham, Banks, and Huck could have done more.

B) Even if Vitaly had not come back and Wlad unified all the belts, it would not have solved the problem of not having a big, strapping quality heavy for him to fight, but on paper, the era would have looked better because Wlad would have cut out some of those laughable challengers. Wladdy could of at least added Briggs, Gomez and Adamek.

Again, appearance is more than reality, and less would have made it a better era.

 

Bang on accurate with the proviso that if Povetkin got a decent referee versus Wlad, we'd know a lot more.

 

Yes, it would be nice if we can get rid of the jab'n'grab. The rules should be more systematic.

 

True Rich. Clay was on the up against Banks and Cooper. Even when he beat Liston he was still quite young tho he did soak up a few big punches when he could barely see. Frazier had a similar moment with Bonavena in what was his 12th fight from memory.

Against Frazier he was dropped in the 15th round (they don't even fight that far now) of a long incredibly grueling contest against an ATG swarmer with boundless stamina.

Prime Ali was almost impossible to drop with one punch.

 

He may get dropped - and if he did, would get up inside 3 secs.

 

Watching the video, you see that part of Povetkin's success is that when he brings pressure opponents freeze and he gets the KO. That style is just not common anymore at a high level at HW, so how can they even prepare?

In the 70s they knew more about the nuances of that technique. It was harder to get to the top with a stiff upper body and zero lateral movement.

So I really doubt Povetkin catches him with the kind of clean shots he lands currently, but Povetkin is used to getting hit by much bigger punchers than Ali so he'd get plenty of chances to try.

 

Another thing to bear in mind imo is that I think Ali tended to struggle more with left hooks when they came from a low starting upwards trajectory, sometimes helped if a fighter was shorter than him ala Cooper, Frazier. It seemed to take him a nanosecond longer to engage his feet and upper body to sway away once he'd spotted the punch coming (if he spotted it), though against Frazier he was hindered by fatigue and dulled reflexes on the knockdown punch when he'd seen it coming. And with Cooper it was also a mix of other elements as people have said. Youth, the surprise of the punch after he'd underestimated Henry, the leaping power and full weight behind it as well as the timing and trajectory.

I'd be struggling to back any puncher to floor Ali balanced against the odds of him staying on his feet when you look at the great punchers he took punishment from weighed up against the odd knockdown in sixty odd fights in somewhat mitigating circumstances. Not to say that Povetkin couldn't do it, mind.

 

Didn't you read the question in the thread ?!?
This isn't about whether Povetkin can land a clean left hook, this is about Ali being able to take it, therefore it is assumed/implied that Povetkin will land it.

 

Amen to that.

 

BULL****. Prime Ali can be easily dropped with one well placed punch to the jaw, just as any HW can. Your body simply cannot take it , cause when your jaw is being moved/snapped around fast, the brain hits the walls of your skull, which causes a temporary blackout.
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