Would Pacquaio still have been the p4p king..if he had taken the 'Mayweather route'?

The problem with your logic is that Manny fights for TR and they only have Bradley and Marquez. If Manny fights a nobody, they can't sell the fight. You wait and see, The rios fight will make less PPV sales than the Guerrero fight. Manny has to fight top guys to make the events. Floyd has enough drawing power to have a few easy ones mixed in. Now floyd steps up and takes a popular fighter, then he can fight another easy guy next if he want to. Manny does not have that option. But other than that I see your point. Because Floyd is his own boss he has many more options. Look at right now: Floyd is fighting Alvarez, Manny could not get that fight if he wanted it. All the good fights at 140-147 are GBP fighters. Manny is out of options. Rios is the best that Top rank has to offer.

 

No, because Pac isn't as focused as Mayweather.

 

He took an easier route imo,Margo,Mosley,Cotto,Hatton all lost right before Pac fought them, OR suffered brutal KO losses..

Pac did not fight the Mosley that beat Margo,he did not fight a invigorated Cotto,or Ortiz coming off of a great win.

 

Let's reverse it all. If Mayweather had fought all of the opponents that Pac fought would he have lost to any of them? No.

Pac did in fact fight an older Marquez than FMJ, and got Koed by him. So, no, Pac would not be PFP king if he had taken the Mayweather path. He took one step on it in the form of Marquez and lost twice.


To sum it up, it is not Pac's "bravery" that kept him from being PFP #1, it is his lack of skill.

 

His skill is there, don't you worry. he is an amazing forward fighter, with an insane punch output and way above average punching power. What he lacks ,however, is concentration and focus. Mayweather CAN'T knock people out, but if he could, he would. Pac CAN knock people out, but he prefers to let them go, like the ending with Margarito, the bs punch absorption with Cotto, his relaxed fight with Bradley, the RIDICULOUS buddy-buddying with Mosley (the only thing missing would be a friendly hug before each round) and so on. A guy that relies heavily on speed and offensive movement rather than defensive potshotting CAN NOT afford to be soft and sympathetic, he needs to capitalize on every opportunity because there might not be another chance later in the fight.

 

He was never the P4P king.

 

Ok. So, you are saying he had the skills, but didn't use them? You are saying that the reason he didn't KO Margarito, KO Mosley (who has never been Koed) or beat Bradley because he is a nice guy? Using your logic, the reason Pac got KOed by Marquez is because he felt bad that Marquez was robbed in the 3rd fight.

By the way, the very definition of skill is the ability to concentrate and focus in order to effectively utilize one's physical attributes such as speed and power.

Not saying this is you, but the thread starter is trying to take a negative, Pac's recent losses, and urn them into a positive by saying he lost because he is brave. To that I say CHICKENSH!T.

 

Manny was expected to steamroll Bradley not loose to him. I thought that Manny should of won that fight but he didn't look spectacular or like a p4p king anyways.

People where saying this will look like the hatton fight but it didn't.

So to answer your question, NO he wouldn't

 

an invigorated Cotto :rofl

just like saying catchweights are meaningless but they are OK now :rofl:rofl

:hi:

 

bah we all know floyds a hypocrit. but the rest of his post makes sense...i have to ask how you can keep a fighter ranked p4p number 1 when he is fighting guys coming off brutal losses? there are literally thousands of boxers out there competing for the top spot and thats the best guy we could find?

potential to be p4p # 1 WITHOUT A ****ING DOUBT

but we are dealing with facts here

 

No, I am saying he has the skills but fails to utilize them to the maximum because he has lost the killer instinct. Some people go for the kill because they are naturally violent (Ibeabuchi, Vitali Klitschko, Valero), some because they are extremely focused and capitalize on every opportunity (Early Pac, Haye, GG). Nowadays, Pac is well fed and well entertained. He found god (the worst thing that could happen to an already fairly simple man), he doesn't have it in him anymore.

Paquao's claim to fame came from fighting Barrera when Barrera was coming off a tremendous war with Eric Morales and was starting to lose his edge. He was young, he was hungry (literally hungry, he came from the poorest area and knew it was make it or break it) and he trained his heart out. Plus he had a seemingly limitless capacity for punishment absorption. But his armor was eventually broken down (constant movement up the weight classes, taking unnecessary shots with Cotto really messed him up), his hunger went away (multi-millionaire, many houses/properties, becoming a politician which is essentially set for life on bribes alone) and his killer instinct which he acquired from the streets slowly dissipated, by religion and a 50 man team of yes men that kept him happy 24/7.

He was done after the Mosley fight and I could see it in his eyes. Bradley loss wasn't a shock for me. For a style like Manny's , you need to be at 100% peak of physical condition, and you need to be HUNGRY. A rat can kill a perfectly well fed, content boa constrictor, when the hunger isn't there.

 

Of course Pac would P4P king if he schooled JMM like Floyd. Instead Pac got KTFOd!

 

1. I think that word "Newbie" by name is very appropriate.

2. I like how you discredit the Floyd fights but not Pac's fights. Way to hide your bias.

3. Only reason Manny even got in the #1 spot was because Floyd took off for a year.

 

Whatever. Stop with the myth making. It sounds romantic, but a Pac hater could make just as convincing a tale saying that Pac was a steroid cheater that stopped taking PEDs during the build up to the Mosley fight. You see it in his eyes? Ridiculous. Pac purposely took punishment from Cotto? Give me a break.

However, let's say that you are right about rats killing apathetic snakes. Why hasn't FMW been killed by a hungry rat yet? Because of his superior skill set. Any style that requires more energy to maintain is less effecient and therefore more based on physicality than skills.

Pac was never PFP #1 because he fought in the Mayweather era, and was overshadowed by a superior fighter/tactician/boxer. He is on the slide not because he is a fat cat lacking killer instinct, but because he lacks the boxing intelligence and skills to continue fighting at a high level into his 30's. FMW is PFP #1 and has been because he has those skills.