Would PBF have beaten a Prime DLH?

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  1. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only way I see Dela Hoya beating Floyd is because of his size (Yes, both fighters started one weight division apart. Floyd at 130 and Dela Hoya at 135. But I'm talking about natural body size and how well each fighter was able to grow into their weights. DLH is FINE at 154, has been for YEARS, and was probably a natural 147er who drained).

    PBF is the better fighter, and a higher rated fighter too, imo. Yes, Floyd didn't look overly great in his fight with an older Dela Hoya, in a fight that was quite boring to add to it. But Floyd was fighting at 154 (he weighted in at 150, but Hoya weighed in at 154) for the first time, and this is a guy who's body shouldn't have really been at 147 in the first place (let alone 7 pounds north). Dela Hoya also fought with a style that made the most of his extra size and strength advantage, whereas PBF fought a more safety-first kind of fight (in his first 7 figure pay-day, he was making sure he just got the win).

    Regardless of the outcome of that fight, the only weight I see a Prime Dela Hoya having a good chance would be 147. But would Oscar try to box more as he did back then, or would he try to use his size and strength? 140 would also be close, but Oscar was still a young pup back then, whereas Floyd was a more established veteran by this stage. I'd also rule 135 and 130 out for Hoya (who was in no way prime here, although technically so wasn't Floyd outside of 140, i.e at 147)

    A Prime(ish) 154 pound Dela Hoya (i.e vs. Vargas in 02, 5 years earlier than Floyd) would be Oscar's best option at a win. Still the same size and strength advantages of the first Floyd fight, a bit more youth (for stamina and speed etc...), and no outside distractions.
     
  2. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, DLH is much bigger and in his prime was nearly as fast with a better punch. The best PBF could do is stink it out and try to make it to a decision. Prime DLH gets underestimated a lot around here and PBF is probably best around 135, he was a little small even at 140. DLH prime is a big strong 147.
     
  3. sweetray

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  4. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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  5. sweetray

    sweetray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That is why PBF backed out from a rematch against DLH.
    DLH had the clue to win but PBF did not let it happen.
     
  6. Hex-One

    Hex-One P4P #1 Full Member

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    No. :bbb
     
  7. nwhite4985

    nwhite4985 Member Full Member

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    No. A young hungry De La Hoya struggled with an old Pernell Whitaker in my eyes he lost. A hungry Mayweather at 130lbs would have gave Oscar problems
     
  8. JM22

    JM22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  9. Waynegrade

    Waynegrade Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oscar beats him at any weight. Honestly, Oscar is a barely active fighter now. And he lost bythis much to PBF. In his prime, Oscar had great hand speed, would stay consistent with his jab(which gave Floyd problems). And and would outbusy him, and his power would keep PBF defensive, all night long. Oscar was bigger, stronger and had hands almost as quick...
     
  10. Jack Presscot

    Jack Presscot Boxing Addict Full Member

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    SBA baby. PBF>DLH, period, bottom line, end of discussion. Any version, any era.
     
  11. Pro

    Pro Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What did he do to Zab after round 4...True blueprint to beat Zab Judah any and everyone call follow it and he's gonna lose jus ask Joshua Clottey...you have to take into account and that its proven he adjust to whoever he's in the ring with...nobody has ever sped him up enough to where you can say he was cleary beat...so how could you even question his heart when his skill alone has never been tested enough for him to ever have to show it...he only boxes for a living (well did)
     
  12. Pro

    Pro Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And there it is point blank....
     
  13. jaco

    jaco Thomas Hearns Full Member

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    No, it'd be competitive though.
     
  14. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    And that post you agree with, says NOTHING about Mayweather and a prime 147 DLH. But it was pretty huh? Almost makes it look like he's actually putting up an argument. :rofl
     
  15. Calroid

    Calroid Active Member Full Member

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    At 147lbs ODLH's resume:

    Whitaker - W
    Kamau - W
    Camacho - W
    Rivera - W
    Charpentier - W
    Chavez - W
    Quartey - W
    Carr - W
    Trinidad - L
    Coley - W
    Mosley - L
    Gatti - W

    Opponents total record at time of fights: 503-20-10



    At 147lbs Mayweather's resume:

    Mitchell - W
    Judah - W
    Baldomir - W
    Hatton - W

    Opponents total record at time of fights: 176-16-6

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    ODLH has the superior resume at 147lbs. His only loses coming via a disputed majority decision to a future HOFer in Trinidad and via a split decision to another future HOFer in Mosley.

    On resume at 147lbs ODLH wins.

    Prime versus prime at 147lbs ODLH didn't carry as much power as he did in the lower divisions. The best fighters he fought at welterweight all resulted in decision fights (Whitaker, Camacho, Quartey, Trinidad and Mosley, not counting Chavez since ODLH had already destroyed him at 140lbs and he was never really a welterweight) Of those 5 fights only one of them (Camacho) wasn't scored very close. Thus it is very unlikely that he would KO a defensive genius like Mayweather at that weight. IMO, prime versus prime would have been a very close decision win which could have gone either way.

    Flip a coin, heads ODLH wins, tails Mayweather wins.