Would Peak Joe Frazier take down Lennox Lewis?

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Welcome back, mcvey !
     
  2. AntonioMartin1

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    You beat me to it! And add Oliver McCall!
     
  3. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    Whom they beat?
    No one.
    Ruddock was beaten by Morrison,Jaco and Tyson while Lewis destroyed him
    He's a Cleveland Williams of his time.
    Bruno?
    Anthony Joshua of his time.
     
  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yikes, you're giving Ruddock WAY too much credit imo.
     
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  5. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    Both are same and overrated.
    Both lost twice against indimidating champ and both lost against LHW bum so yeah.
     
  6. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah ok let's just ignore the power they demonstrated on film, and the statistics.

    I can see what kind of discussion this is, so I think I've said enough on this topic.
     
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  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ah.
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks Pal!
     
  9. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I could see a stinker play out where Lewis is overly cautious trying avoid the LH.
     
  10. bboyrei

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    Either Lewis decision or Frazier stoppage. The best version of Frazier would not be going down.
     
  11. Rollin

    Rollin Active Member Full Member

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    FOTC Frazier could make it an incredibly dangerous bout. Depends on how Lewis' chin holds up.

    Then again, an intelligent, highly skilled boxer-puncher is always a good bet against swarmers.
     
  12. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Being a Lennox fan I was always being told Bowe would beat him ROFL Bow chickened out he knew he could never beat Lennox. Then it was Ruddock!! Lennox destroyed him Then came Golota Lennox destroyed him.
    They kept bringing up guys that would KO him. The only ones that did were Lennox own fault. He had one big fault He tended to fight to the level he thought his opponent was at Hence Rahman & McCall He had no problems in the rematches did he
     
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  13. Flash24

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    Lewis had the size and strength to make very short work of Frazier. Especially if he used Foreman's physical tactics.
    But that's the problem, as many times as I watched Lewis fight, he rarely deviated from what he was comfortable with, and what worked for him. That typical European style of boxing of Jab, right hand, or right uppercut. Tie up, repeat.
    Even with Steward in his corner, he basically refined what Lewis did best, but he didn't change the style fighter he was.
    This is where Frazier can win. Frazier had a very unique and underrated ability to pressure without taking a lot of punishment.
    Unlike the walk in statue that is some how always compared to Frazier, Tua ( which other than a great left hook, probably a harder left hook, was nothing like prime Frazier at any point of his career)
    Tua was a walk in puncher, not really aggressive at anytime time of his career, other than when he had an opponent hurt.
    He waited for the opportunity to land a big punch in most cases, especially when he fought Lewis.
    He didn't CREATE that opportunity like Frazier did with pressure, timing, and accuracy.
    Frazier would be able to close distance on Lewis, get inside his jab , stifle his powerful right hand, keep his head in Lewis's chest( Or abdomen lol) wreck his sides, and hips with his punishing hook, and underrated right hand.
    Lewis never faced a true pressure fighter like Frazier. He would need to learn on the fly, or eventually get worn down and stopped.
    Personally I believe he'd get worn down and stopped. Prime vs prime. Esp if he doesn't get Frazier early, and judging by the way he typically fought that wouldn't happen .
    Before some of you SIZE Kings/Queens start sprouting ",But Lewis is SO big" !!! Think about this a moment, James Toney, a fat natural middleweight was able to do in 9 rds what Lewis couldnt do in 24rds. That's stop Holyfield. Holyfield was just as shot when he faced Lewis. Why didn't Lewis stop him? Why did it take another fight for Lewis to be seen as a clear winner?
    Sometimes it's not just about the size of the opponent, but the skill level, and how they match up.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Ali and Lewis were not similar at all so that's a terrible comparison.Ali had average power, Lewis had top drawer power.Ali had 18 rds of boxing in the previous 4 years he wasnt ready for Frazier imo and he still hospitalized him for over 3 weeks ,and who won their next two fights?
     
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  15. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You dont think 50lbs of muscle,11 inches of reach ,and five and a half inches in height is a significant advantage? Lewis is the better boxer,the bigger puncher,and the bigger man.
    Frazier has power in one hand ,the left.

    Anyone knock Lewis down with a left hook?