Would Peak Joe Frazier take down Lennox Lewis?

If any of those fighters landed flush on Frazier he would know about it, i'm not saying they are great Heavyweights. But to dismiss their power entirely seems strange to me, i'm not saying you are BTW. I was mostly on about the other poster i was quoting when i was making my point.

I think Bruno, Ruddock, both had elite punching power. It's just some of their other attributes wern't of the elite standard, which is why they never quite reached the top. But if they could do any one thing they could both hit very hard.

 

It hurts me to say but Lewis would toy with and demolish Frazier in under ten rounds.

Lewis was that good, especially against smaller opponents.

 

When imagining these two going at it in their primes, I see Frazier stopping Lennox late. Joe would use head movement to get under Lewis' jab, probably getting low and fighting as 'small' as possible, mix up combos to the body & head and out-rhythm LL on the inside.

Lewis no doubt rates highly in fantasy H2H matchups and I could envision him winning his share of fights with the greats. But not this one.

Frazier KO 11 Lewis.

 

Almost everyone he faced was smaller. Whatchoo talking ‘bout Willis?

 

Anyone who went life and death with Ray Mercer is getting knocked out by a prime Joe Frazier.

Lewis is an all time great and I pick him over many great fighters but the most difficult opponent for him, during the Steward era of his career, was one that made Lewis work every second of the round.

Forget Tua as a comparison for Frazier. His workrate could never match the heat of FOTC Frazier. No way.

Let Lewis dictate the pace and he will control things at a walk just like he did over a Washed up Tyson. Lewis won’t get that from Prime Frazier. That’s a full three minutes of dancing to Fraziers tune, and getting hit upside the head all the way.

It was the pace of Frazier that upset Ali that first time. The second time Ali had to run the whole time. The third time only the factor that Joe was a little more washed up than Ali was proved to be the ultimate breaking point.

I hear a lot about Lewis’s immense Foreman like power, but to set himself Lewis really needed to be fighting at a walk.

look at the Mavoric fight, the workrate of that skinny guy had Lewis gasping. He was too fatigued to get the real leverage he needed to stiff lumbering oafs like Micheal Grant and David Golata.

Comparing Frazier to Tua or Justine Fortune is too insulting to the fighter Frazier was.

Think of Mercer. How close a run fight he had with Lewis, then compare Ray to Frazier of fight of the century.

No. Frazier wins this fight. Just ask Larry Holmes.

 

Ali was not a big puncher, plenty could take what he dished out in Manilla.

 

As i said before Mercer is bigger has a better chin than Frazier, i don't see Frazier walking through Lewis's uppercut like Mercer did. And also Mercer's jab is what gave Lewis the most trouble, an attribute that Frazier is not known for different styles completely.

 

Frazier was great, but there aren't too many heavyweight greats in my life-time that I'd pick Frazier to beat frankly.

 

Anyone who went life and death with Bonavena is getting decapitated by Lewis.

 

This is what the film Legends of the Fall was about.

 

Are you including Muhammad Ali in that?

 

Frazier is not giving Lewis the same room and time to throw uppercuts at him like Mercer did. We saw how the quality dropped off Lennox work when rushed for three whole minutes. He’s not getting that leverage against Fraziers pace and punch output.

Fraziers left hook landed as regularly as Mercer’s jab against a far superior and elusive opponent in Muhammad Ali. Lewis was no harder to hit than Ali.

 

Ali with 3rds of boxing in3 and a half years beat Bonavena.
12-2
10--3-1
8-5-1

Before flooring him3 times,for the ko;

Frazier beat Bonavena
6-4
5-4
5-8

And was floored twice
For a split decision win
I don't see the similarity!

 

Bonavena gave both a hard fight didn't he?Where were the easy rounds?

You can lose a round by landing one less punch or win a round by landing one extra punch. A round can be decided when no real punch has landed at all.

look at the discrepancy in those scores for Ali v Bonavena. Wining 2, 3 rounds or 5 of 14 rounds doesn’t really show the right picture.

Apart from the ending of that fight, Ali had a very gruelling experience with Bonavena. He was half decked himself and stung in that fight.

 

First off your just assuming Frazier would be able get inside vs Lewis with his 84 inch reach ? Lewis is a master at controlling the distance, and Frazier would also be getting hit as his comes in. Lewis hits alot harder than Ali, and has better weapons to deal with shorter opponent like having a great uppercut. Like i said Mercer jabbed with Lewis and worked his way inside, whilst also taking punishment in return. The smaller Frazier wouldn't be taking those uppercuts from Lewis unscathed, nor did he have the jab to trouble Lewis. Frazier just bobbing and weaving his way in isn't going to work vs Lewis.

Ali more elusive than Lewis in the 70s ? I have to strongly disagree. Ali may of been more athletic, but he got hit alot in the 70s. Especially when his legs slowed down and he wasn't as elusive as he was in the 60s.