Would prime Archie Moore dominate todays LHW division & perhaps the cruiser division

What if? I wouldn't believe you, that's what. At least not with post-1940 strictly enforced boxing rules.

 

Yes. Good wins, in fact very good wins. Not anywhere close to Moore, or the level he won at.

But he isn't unproven, at all. And no-one, not even Moore, makes him "relatively novice".

Struggled? He lost no more than 8 rounds at most against the pair. That's not struggling, it just looks like it in comparison to his fights with Glowacki and Gassiev.

They don't. But now, who did Moore beat that was as good as Usyk? Johnson? I don't think he was as good as Usyk H2H, considering the size difference.

Yes. Usyk has been clipped with rights, and has shown issues with slickness, but has comprehensively beaten the best he's fought, and hasn't fought someone like Moore yet, so we don't know how he'd deal with the aggressive counter punching and subtle defence. But what he does have, is the footwork advantage, a high workrate, and the ring IQ to beat Moore, who also, has the same.

Usyk, imo, is not far behind guys who beat Moore, H2H.

Moore had issues with Lytell, who he outweighed by a stone. After 7 it was even and Moore took it based on breaking Lytell down. Even when Lytell was far gone in the rematch, he still won rounds against a prime Moore. Who wasn't as mobile at HW at cutting down the ring, especially against bigger guys, and the only 2 HWs he fought who were as quick as Usyk were Ali and Patterson, I know Moore wasn't prime for those but that the speed point still stands.

Usyk would do what made Lytell successful, and use his fast feet to keep Moore from landing flush often, and moving at range, using his bigger reach to land his right and moving to the right to keep turning Moore, who'd be following and landing lots as well, but losing on volume and not landing as much.

Yeah, was overboard and disrespectful.

@THE BLADE 2, sorry man. It was uncalled for.

 

Thats exactly it. Usyk has not beaten anyone near both the class and style of Archie Moore. There is no reason to favour him stylistically with any strong intent. You basically almost totally agree with mine and Blade's posts.

And Usyk did struggle stylistically with both Hunter and Briedis. He wasn't fully effective and had some trouble with the upper body movement of Hunter. He was also repeatedly tagged by Bellew of all people, with the straight and overhand right. One of Moore's money punches.

Again, Lytell was an absolute monster and actually did better again bigger men. He was much better p4p in ability than Usyk (and was never given fair digs for his entire career). Also, the only stylistic similarity to Usyk is his southpaw stance, as Lytell was an extremely aggressive swarmer who would constantly stay on top and close to you, not at mid range controlling volume as Usyk does. Moore was also becoming notoriously inconsistent in his efforts around this point, as he was cutting down to 175lbs with wildly varying interest. Lytell was also noted as an extremely awkward fighter, which Usyk is not. Usyk does nothing technically that Moore hasn't seen or can adapt too.

Moore was 196lbs in the 2nd Valdes fight (Valdes 209lbs) and looked very fit and strong. I doubt he would have that much issue with Usyk's size. And everyone else was assuming this was a 200lb match up, not Heavyweight.

Usyk is also no where near as quick as Ali or Patterson, and has a worse defense than either. He also boxes nothing like them. He has also had one Heavyweight bout against a nobody. Not a good comparison.

I see Moore slowly cutting off Usyk and repeatedly landing rights whilst avoiding most of his relatively unpowered salvo's, through deflection, angles and subtle slips. Moore would win this from having cleaner, more effective work, and his power would start to tell later on, making even Usyk apprehensive. Volume means nothing if most is deflected or slipped and not effective. His 'footwork advantage' would quite clearly drop off against an experienced master mind like Moore, who could cut him off. He wouldn't 'follow' in such a high stakes match, in his best version. Moore would also keep him inside for short whiles, after either his rights or Usyks salvos, pounding the body in a sneaky and extremely effective way to lower Usyk's guard and slowly lower the workrate.

SD12 / UD 15

 

You may not realize this because

Nothing in my post needed to be "fixed". So I'm sorry if my point of view offended you so badly that your anger comes through your writing. Maybe instead of ranting and raving perhaps learn something about the subject of boxing. Its obvious to me you know very little. Point #1
When did Usyk have 370 pro fights? Or maybe you don't understand the pro game is very different from the amatuer game. There's been many amateurs with 100's of fights that did absolutely nothing at the pro level, conversely there have been many fighters without a great amatuer back ground that were great pro's.
Point #2 I wasn't including Patterson,Ali,Charles or Marciano , in the grouping I mentioned because they for the most part were Heavyweights, and they would absolutely shatter a fighter as unskilled ( In comparison to them) as Usyk. No I'm talking about fighters like, H Johnson, J.Blevins, J Maxim,L.Marshall. Usyk in my OPINION wouldn't defeat that caliber of competition much less Moore himself.
Usyk like Lomencheko is severely overrated in my opinion. They are good for this era''s lack of real talented fighters, they were great amateurs for THIS era. But I've seen much better fighters in the long long history of boxing. Fighters that would make Usyk or Lomencheko look like what they are , Novice level fighters in comparison to ATG's from the past..... Sorry if that OPNION made you drop your beer.... But I really don't care if it did to be honest.