Would Prime Foreman Overpower Louis?

Sadler taught Foreman some great skills. They all centered round his power but Foreman has so many Saddler-isms because Dick taught him them, and he wouldn't have been nearly as successful without them IMO. The mummy guard, the low lead and high parry, the great jab and timing on the uppercut as well as being a beast at closing the ring off. The way he manoeuvred guys onto sneaky little short shots by throwing those horrific, brutal wingers is also quite a Saddler/McLarnin thing.

The skills he were taught were focused around his power, but he was very skilled.

 

Excellent points. But as for training for a 15 round fight apparently he trained George to smash Ali out of there by around 5 rounds. But everything else you say is spot on. Watch George of the seventies and the little moves he does and that is a finely taught boxer. But watch George training for Zaire and you see what him and his team were working towards. Get that 32 old out of there. I think the prediction was George by or before 5.

 

Oh it definitely was. In his prime, Foreman could go ten rounds if needed, as seen vs Peralta, but in that heat? With that pacing? There was no way it was gonna happen. He really did just wanna get Ali out of there.

 

By watch I mean only available footage.

 

When George made his comeback and Ali was running out of opponents and reasons for not fighting George again apparently Ali insisted George rehire Sadler as head trainer. By this time Gil Clancy was training George after Sadler was removed as Foreman’s trainer. This is all from hearsay and old interviews I’ve read years ago so have no proof. But why would Ali be bothered who trained George? Maybe a guy who trains him to punch with everything he has rather than Clancy who would of trained him to pace himself a bit more. All of this is based on hearsay so don’t ask for proof.

 

Wow! that's one critical analysis on why Louis would win. A guy who shuffles straight ahead against a man who is taller, has a longer reach, is much heavier, hits far harder and owns arguably the hardest jab in heavyweight history. Louis is the greatest combination puncher in heavyweight history, in this fight he'll never get to use it....

P.S. I've been in fights and had the gloves on with other fighters and have been watching boxing attentively since I was a kid for about 50 years.

 

Good call on Louis's footwork, it was designed to get into punching position. He'll not need that against George , Foreman will take care of that. I love Louis but you're right. he's going to have to fight off Foreman and I can't see him surviving those exchanges.

 

What level have you boxed?

 

I’ve sparred hundreds of rounds non competitive. By that I mean I’m just a gym fighter. But I’ve sparred some seriously tough fighters. What level are you to throw the old (HAVE YOU BOXED) before?

 

I’ve sparred hundreds of rounds non competitive. By that I mean I’m just a gym fighter. But I’ve sparred some seriouslytough fighters. What level are you to throw the old (HAVE YOU BOXED) before? This was aimed at you.

 

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Nothing to say MR TUT? This is a boxing chat forum. I dare say most participants in these discussions have not boxed. This forum is for fans. You don’t have to have boxed to have an opinion. I myself has only taken part in sparring in the gym. Does that make me an expert. No. I’ve also won some money betting on big fights. Does that make me an expert no. So I’ll ask you one last time. What is your level?

 

I've often said Louis offensively was the best heavyweight in history, bar none. Some may have been faster, but they didn't have the power of Louis, some may have hit harder,but they didn’t have his speed. Some may have been able to use every punch , but no one has been as lethal with every punch as Louis was , from any angle, from either hand.
Louis was Superman offensively.
But his offensive firepower hid lots of faults. His foot speed wasn't great, his defensive ability was average, he didn’t have the greatest chin, he pushed his jab a lot, and dropped it, even in his prime, its the reason Schmeling beat him. He was very human in other areas of boxing.
Then there's the simplification of what G.Foreman did in the ring. He telegraphed his punches, he didn't have great defense, his hands were slow, etc.
Give credit where it's do, one poster said Louis would never get beat by someone who telegraphed his punches like Foreman did, yet he was put on his ass twice by Galento, almost every punch he used was telegraphed. Billy Conn all 180 lbs of him had Louis reeling. Let's be real and fair please.
Foreman was trained to fight to what he did best, and what may look as reckless or unskilled too others is proven by his track record. His physicality was his key, that great strength he used to his maximum advantage. Louis was excellent at timing big opponents, making them walk into something, but Louis never fought anyone that wouldn't allow him to set his feet like Foreman would do.
Foreman's trade mark of snapping out the jab then stepping into opponents and pushing them back , or turning them into his power punches, I really don't believe Louis would have an answer for. His lack of foot speed and defensive liability would be a big advantage for Foreman. Louis would need to play matador to Foreman's rushes the entirety of a fight. Could he do that?
Foreman's foot speed is also very underrated too. In his prime he cut the ring very efficiently. It wasn't pretty, but it was very effective.
Louis could ko Foreman, but more than likely he gets ko'ed in my opinion. His average feet, average defense, and average chin would be his undoing.

 

Louis KO Foreman? What evidence is there that Foreman ever lost by kO by a ko puncher? ALi exhausted, Young exhausted. That is young George. Old George. Holyfield volume. Morrison ran for his life. Briggs controversial. So Joe Louis knocks out Big George Foreman. This while Joe using his agile footwork so as to not get trapped in the corner or on the ropes and have every punch thrown at him by one of the heaviest punchers ever. Or does he counter George until he fights his way back into the fight? Or catches George with a knockout counter.

 

Louis had the power, speed and most importantly SKILL to ko any fighter in history including G.Foreman.
Obviously you didn't read the rest of what I wrote .I wrote more than likely he would get K'oed .