Would Quarry really have been champion in any other era

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  1. superman1986

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    I hear that frequently, but except for a few small windows, I really don't see it. He certainly would likely be in the top 5 or 10, especially before the 1970s.

    Going back to the days of Jack Johnson, he probably could have been champion, but defeating Johnson or even a better version of Willard would not be a foregone conclusion.

    I think he'd have held his own, but a prime Dempsey would have defeated him. In the late 1920s when Dempsey was ready to be taken, that might have been Quarry's opportunity. But it's not a foregone conclusion that he would have gotten past Gene Tunney. Maybe, maybe not.

    In the early 1930s, he would have another golden opportunity. He could have defeated Sharkey, Schmeling, Max Baer, Braddock or Primo Carnera, but on the other hand, they all would have their chances against him. Max Schmeling and a focused Max Baer would have the best chances to beat Quarry IMO.

    Quarry would have had little chance while Joe Louis was reigning without mercy. I suppose that he could have got him on an off night. Louis aside, Quarry still would have had challenges against guys like Billy Conn, Lou Nova, Buddy Baer because of his sheer size and power.

    In the late 40s, early 50s, I wouldn't favor him against Ezzard Charles or Jersey Joe Walcott all the way up to the first Marciano fights. Rex Lane, Jimmy Bivins, Elmer Ray perhaps Joey Maxim could have proven to be challenges. Archie Moore would have his chances.

    Quarry would have given Rocky Marciano a tough go, but I don't think he'd have gotten past Marciano.

    In the late 50s, you have a young Floyd Patterson. Considering the fact that Quarry barely skated past an older (and heavier and likely stronger), yet still good Floyd Patterson, I'll still say that Patterson in the late 50s beats Jerry Quarry.

    And then there's Sonny Liston. Quarry did well vs big, slower power guys, but Liston was a power guy with very good boxing skills. I think a prime/ near his prime Liston would've prevented Quarry's ascension to the heavyweight throne.

    We saw him vs Ali and Frazier.

    We can kill the noise of him making it past Holmes and Tyson in the 80s. He may have been a belt holder though.

    He wouldn't have beaten Holyfield in the 90s or Riddick Bowe or Lennox Lewis. Or even still Mike Tyson (at least not until the late 90s) or even the Holmes who rumbled with Holyfield.

    Ditto for the K2 brothers.

    He likely wouldn't beat Anthony Joshua now and maybe not Deontay Wilder or Tyson Fury. None of those guys are automatic gimmes for Quarry.

    So I guess I'm trying to figure out in what era is it a foregone conclusion that Jerry Quarry has a championship reign?
     
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  2. Unforgiven

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    No, he had his chances against Joe Frazier, Jimmy Ellis and (comebacking lineal champ) Muhammad Ali.
    He lost all three, and Ellis (Ali's sparring partner) was certainly no great champion.
    As you correctly mention, he struggled (and won only disputably) with an old Patterson, who even in his prime wasn't regarded as a particularly formidable heavyweight.

    Quarry was simply a contender, never quite championship quality.
    He might have picked up the title in some other time with a fortunately timed opportunity, like Braddock or Spinks did, but he wouldn't have held it long.
     
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    Then again, I'm not even sure a prime Quarry could beat 1978 Ali like Leon Spinks did.
    Quarry was easy work for 1970 and 1972 Ali, and maybe the old Ali would still find him pretty beatable.
     
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    If one were to cherry pick certain fighters from a precise moment in time, it's quite possible. The chips would have to fall just right, though. I don't think he was ever an era-defining fighter, but we see marginal (relatively speaking, no insult intended) guys in an era wind up champ for a fight or two somewhat regularly.

    More likely is that he'd be a damn good Cruiserweight and get his gold there. I don't buy into him being HW champ in "any other era".
     
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    I see quarry maybe getting a belt in the 80 s. There were so many opportunities then available and the eighty s guys apart from Holmes and Tyson were hardly the most consistent. Maybe a win over tate, weaver or dokes at the time and place. Early 30 s another few chances maybe, schmeling or sharkey. But few and far between chances of picking up the lineal belt.
     
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    Tyson
    Dempsey
    Louis
    Marciano
    Johnson
    Jeffries
    Lewis

    all beat him for sure. There are others that I would favor against him but aren't as sure as these guys.
     
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    Yeah, like if he were able to get a title shot vs Ingemar Johansson or fought Max Baer on the night he was upset by Braddock. Jerry Quarry could have held the title briefly under the right circumstances. At cruiserweight he could have had an excellent chance. At least if there wasn't a Holyfield around it he was dealing with the lesser experienced Qawi 1 or prior Holyfield.
     
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    Right, but I'd pick a peak Quarry to beat a Peak Spinks or a peak Braddock or Primo or a few others. Just because somebody fails at certain opportunities that were tougher, doesn't mean he'd fail and easier opportunities. That doesn't make logical sense.
     
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    I was a huge Quarry fan, but no, Imo, he wouldn't be champ in different eras. Not heavyweight champ, but Cruiserweight would be a different story.
     
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    No.

    He might have been champion in some eras with the right breaks, and he might just as easily not have been.

    I can accept that he was unlucky to share an era with Ali and Frazier, but I dont think that he was unlucky to share an era with Ellis.
     
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    I'd favor him vs Braddock and Carnera as well. But, I will say this, Quarry wouldn't be an "unbeatable" fighter to them. They'd still have reasonable chances at an upset.

    Yeah, I'd pick Quarry over Leon Spinks as well. It's ironic that going into the pro's, Leon was expected to be the ATG instead of his brother, Michael. Speaking of which, Quarry would have had a chance in the 80s of capturing the lineal title if he had got a shot vs Michael Spinks, but it would have been far from a sure thing. Depending on who you ask, Jerry Quarry might have been the under dog.
     
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    In the 80s, guys like Tucker, Thomas, Weaver, Tubbs, Carl Williams, Douglas Witherspoon could have potentially defeated Quarry (or they may not) depending on how they came to the party. But none of them would be dead men walking vs Jerry Quarry. They'd have reasonable chances at victory.
     
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    Not dead men walking but certainly 50 50 chance of quarry defeating at least one of em.
     
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    I doubt he'd beat any of the 1980s alphabet champions if they were at their bests.
    They'd be two or three or so he'd be about 50-50 against (Weaver maybe? Coetzee? Berbick? .. the Thomas that lost to Berbick ?). It's possible.
    But he has his chance in real life against Jimmy Ellis, so he's not someone you'd back to win a title.
    With multiple titles shots (like some of those 1980s guys had), his chances of success would increase a lot.