Would Riddick Bowe be in better health today if:

Considering that eliminative materialism has issues, the jury is still out on that. But as I'm sure you'd point out, the more relevant problem is that the immaterial soul -- even if it exists -- hasn't yet demonstrated any ability to keep people alive forever.

 

But Yoda, old wisened one, nearing or well into coin toss stage, challenge you, I must. For a moment, be still your flapping ears.


I understood your stat based argument. For one, I referenced Super-centenarians - an estimated “should be” figure but not verified.



There is also the most recent data I could find - 90 + yos, comprising just 4.7 % of the population currently. To be fair, they were born into a pop. about 1/4 of the current pop., so we could possibly say they represent about 19% of their own time.



I understand these life expectancies are what we are supposed to be trending toward but if we were also projected to reach average stature of 6’6” in 10s of years time people will still defer to what they see now, not what is projected, for determining what is extraordinary and what is not. People aged 90 still aren’t so common among us.



You also pointed out the counterintuitive maintenance of life expectancy odds from age 110 yo through to 120 yo. Is something not “up”’there? Some dodgy extrapolations afoot?



Of course advances in medicine have propped people up for more years than they might’ve enjoyed in previous eras though the quality of life might be questionable. That support is separate to natural increases in longevity by way of better nutrition, life style options in general.



That there have been instances in which will can be reasonably argued for as a catalyst for extended life or what not - the frequency can also be simply put down to the will power of the individual - uncommon as it perhaps may or may not be.



But I did say will doesn’t overcome actual dying but when life is precariously balanced on physical fragility, some may push further by way of mind while others might wave the white flag simply because they’ve had enough and the fragile body will follow.



No, I don’t necessarily believe in an after life but I wouldn’t say that it is flat common sense not to. Science is big on cause and effect, naturally, but they’ve dropped the ball in that regard on a number of fronts. The “mysterious” QM has proven to be the magic bullet to “explain” the unexplained.



They’ve jigged their theories on the Big Bang and our beginnings a number of times.



If the NON scientists were first to claim that things can and do randomly pop in and out of existence, Science would’ve cried “absurd”! But now science has come to that conclusion (by way of hidden variables, insufficient data??) its now “science” to suggest same, no longer mere woo.



Then there’s the old Entanglement, “spooky” action at a distance, non local, immaterial involving faster than light communication between paired particles over infinite distance - does common sense or Occam’s Razor allow for understanding of same? Lucy, you got some ‘splaining to do!



So much more to say and so little bandwidth. Besides, someone’s going to get out the grappling hook soon..…exit, stage left.

 

The U.S. military has a statistic in which the average soldier who served a full career tends to fade away within 5-10 yrs of retirement or lives a long life....(Barring illness like cancer etc..) the factors being if they do not find meaning in a post military career they tend to fade away quicker and the other being if they can find a sense of purpose post career they generally live long lives. When I retired I found myself searching for meaning and purpose due to upon separation from the service I found myself lost and struggling to find something of importance that compared.

The body is incredibly resilient to trauma the brain can recover from certain damage and create new myelin pathways for neurons to travel as new muscle memory is created. There is exciting treatments now for brain disfunctions such as depression etc....with magnets called TMS-Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation.

TMS Therapy: What It Treats, Benefits, Side Effects, and Costs (healthline.com)

People suffer from clogged arteries and sometimes succumb to heart disease but there is also ample evidence that the heart creates its own bypasses to arteries.

 

He would be in far better health if he hadn't fought Holyfield the third time.. who hit him with some constant stream left hooks to his right temple (by design.. I think he knew Bowe younger man would take it.. and I think he knew Bowe would be ****ed up from it.. and out of the way for Holyfield -Tyson).

If you listened to the HBO prefight hype before Bowe-Golota I, Bowe was slurring his words already.. about as bad as he does today.

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Thanks Rich. Excellent info.

Well it seems you found your way through the fog which is great.

I’ve known of people losing their life long partners and fading away themselves shortly thereafter. They were otherwise in good health but perhaps they lost meaning also - especially if they were “carers” for their spouse. Others again might “change it up” after losing their spouse, discover new directions, goals and acquaintances. It’s difficult to guess from one person to another as to which way it might go.

 

Every fighter would be better off not fighting at all and every fight they don’t fight would preserve there brains. So yes he’d be better off but by how much I have no idea.

 

Um Bowe would gained tons of weights after fights and then lose tons of weight to get back down to fighting weight. Dehydrating yourself like that makes you lose fluid around your brain. That is why Bowe declined so quickly. So if he would of just stay between 230-and 240 so he wouldn't have to lose weight he would be find today. Also if he did that he would of never got beat around by Golota to began with.

 

From Tris Dixon's Damage: The Untold Story of Brain Trauma in Boxing:

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Most of the damage would have been done in sparring. IIRC Bowe sparred a lot.

 

Absolutely.

Even if he quit after the first Golota fight hed be in better shape.

He took a hellacious beating in the second fight.