Would Ron Lyle, Be Capable Of Beating Most Of The 1950 s Heavyweight s?

But the title of the tread says,
" Would Ron Lyle, Be Capable Of Beating Most Of The 1950 s Heavyweights? "

The answer to that is yes. I have seen any threads on Lyle beating Liston, and Marciano. Are there any? Clearly he is accomplished fighter have a winning record vs contenders is the 1970's.Do you think the 1950's was a better time in the heavyweight division?

You've gone form Lyle is the most over rated to fighter on the forum to:

Lyle won plenty of fights vs contenders inside the distance too. He had decent skills as a boxer in my opinion. He wasn't just a puncher. I gave an updated version of Mr. Suzieq's head to head odds. And his losses to Ali and Foreman were good performances. Which fights if any do you disagree with?

 

Who picks Lyle over Marciano or Lyle? Any poster names? I guess I'll have to check the link. One thing is for certain, Lyle would be the best puncher Rocky fought , better the Moore, or Walcott who had him on the mat. Rocky's chin was never tested on the level of Lyle's power or greater. He could beat them or he could lose, unless your think Ali and Foreman were lower than Liston or Marciano, Lyle should do well here, with a chance of winning as he did vs Foreman and Ali. Lyle would like beat Nino or Bob Baker, and it would be an upset loss if they won. In other words, not likely. Liston also lost to Marshall, a fighter who wasn't noteworthy asside form beating Liston.

I doubt Moore being better had to head vs heavyweight, he wouldn't like beat Lyle either. As for Walcott is depends on which guy shows up. He inconstant losing to many others. Charles is a fine boxer, but Lyle smoked Ellis. Charles was the better pound of pound man of course but there is big difference in size, and power. Factors that matter at heavyweight when one guy is 185 points and the other is taller / longer / bigger / had more power...to go along with good skills. On film Charles like to fight a lot and it's not like had a rock of Gibraltar for a chin eater. Indeed he was down quite often vs the men. I'll call that match even.

I see things differently, you seem to be against anti Lyle, and pro 50's opponents. No Lyle was not an ATG heavyweight, but he was a very good one in a competitive time.

 

Can you name them?

 

Lyle was one punch away from stopping George. The bell doesn’t ring to end round 4 Lyle wins that fight. The rest of lyle’s resume is decent. He had problems with counter punchers Quarry and Young. I would suspect Machen would be kryptonite to him. Some of the smaller heavies may pose problems for Lyle in the 50s if they moved and boxed. Not Floyd who attacked and his chin would not hold up. Lyle vs Liston would be fun fight but Liston wins. Lyle beats Cleveland Williams any version of him. Pre shot post shot Cleveland on unicorn and rainy day Big Cat.

 

I just rewatched that and I gotta agree that Lyle rocked Foreman's boat in that round and later.
However I must say that:

1) Lyle didn't close the deal when he had Big George hanging for dear life... in the same situation Ali, Frazier would have KOed Foreman right away. I can also imagine Shavers, Conney among others sluggers stopping Big George cold then and there. But Lyle was unable. What does it tell us of his punching power?

2) That sure looked like a subpar version of Foreman. Ali really messed him up because Big George looks terrible. Gone is the commanding bully of Jamaica and at times He looks doubtful, passive, even scared????

Anyway, back on topic I feel Lyle sometimes is sold cheaply, almost a fire sale. He was not an ATG puncher per sure, but he wasn't a butter hand neither. His punching seems decent enough to me.

 

He certainly would be.

 

If it were a reasonable version of Moore I think he’d be an easy top ten fighter. In fact he’d probably beat quarry who Lyle lost to. Not sure how Archie does against Jimmy Young. That would be sort of a weird matchup. Foreman probably beats Moore easier than he beat Lyle for physical and stylistic reasons. Shavers would be a dangerous yet winnable fight for the mongoose. So In conclusion, I think Archie could have been right up there in the mix of contenders along side Lyle in the 70s with varying results against common opponents

 

He wouldn't, he would be better.

 

I think Moore would beat Young relatively easily. Young made his career out of beating lumbering punchers and brawlers, but Moore was so much better technically than all of them. He'd outwork and outland Young, winning a clear decision.

I think he'd beat Quarry and Shavers as well. Foreman was probably out of his reach, bad stylistic matchup. I can see him making Foreman look bad for a few rounds though.

 

That's certainly not a given at all. If you don't remember Lyle was in a fair bit of trouble as well in the fourth.

You could also easily say that about the 2nd round which WAS stopped prematurely and have a far better case. You could also say that about Lyle's fight with Shavers when he was brutally dropped and looked ready to go at the end of round 2.