I wonder if the Rope-a-dope would make it easier for Tyson to pick his shots, or if it would send him through the ropes missing huge leaping shots. What do you guys think?
it wouldn't work and Ali would probably no better not to use it Tyson wouldn't swing like a ****** like Foreman did against Ali, he would use short hooks and uppercuts and get through if Ali couldn't do it against Frazier how could he do it against Tyson, who is more accurate and powerful and has more then a left hook Ali would be a dead man to use it against Mike Tyson..
Post prison Tyson yes, Mathis had some success with it, and he was outgunned. Imagine if he could shove a powerful righthand or uppercut into those timed misses of Tyson?
yeah post prison wasn't as accurate or as skilled so he might be able to manage i think he could counter tyson easily with a right cross like he did to foreman
The rope-a-dope was really an improvised lightning in a bottle type scenario. When Ali later tried it against Leon Spinks, Leon repeatedly split his guard with uppercuts, a Tyson specialty. A heavyweight Benitez might be able to get away with slipping and countering Mike off the ropes, but I wouldn't count on any professional champion punching himself out like that after what happened to Foreman in Kinshasa. A top fighter should be conditioned to punch like that for as long as a match is scheduled, period.
It wouldn't work, Tyson is no Foreman for better or worse. You can't beat Mike Tyson if you don't have his respect and you don't have him on the back foot. A rope-a-dope would lead to a cruel Tyson stoppage.
Ali could adapt. He probably would not use the rope-a-dope much, if at all, vrs. Tyson. If he did, he would catch Tyson coming in and not linger much, though Ali would tie Tyson up.
If a master at it like Ali used it. the rope a dope would be effective against Tyson. early defenses by Tyson inwhich fightrrs were just interested in surviving. did so without much aggression by Tyson. he accepted thier grabbing tactics & went the distance with little action in the fight. If Tyson had trouble countering these fighters holding tactics. Ali's rope a dope could prove to be a major suprise to Iron Mike. Like George, Mike's stamina is in question. after pounding on Ali's arms & body for seven or eight rounds. Mike would be extreemly winded. & Ali would spring to life with his combinations. Of course all of this would only work as a suprise tactic as it was against Foreman.
It would be a verry bad idea to try this against Tyson. I would not recomend it against Jack Dempsey or Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano either.
Tyson doesn't bring the subtle, selective attack of a peak Dempsey, nor the relaxed precision of Louis; Marciano is a very different animal too. It would be an exaggeration to say Mike Jameson used the rope-a-dope on Tyson, but there are elements. He liked the ropes, he covered up. Tyson was confused for spells. Jameson utilised a grab-and-jab too, but I think this fight acts as a clue that hugging the ropes against Tyson isn't the disaster some seem to suggest. I think it would be an excellent strategy for someone with great offence and defence. Certainly boxing back to the ropes allowed Jameson to extend Tyson further than anyone else had up until that point. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S9J3lr-nyU&feature=related[/ame]
I think it would it could work . I cant imagine Tyson hits any harder than big george and Tyson has admitted that he he had breathing difficulties.. The breathing difficulties plus the nervous tension he brought into the ring would make it likely that tyson would punch himself out like foreman . That said Ali has the skills speed , height and reach to outbox tyson so why make life difficult for himself ?
A fair observation, but I think you have to make some allowance for his relative inexperience at this stage.
I think it would work. ali was very experienced by the time he used it and peak tyson was basicly a kid. Ali would know exactly when to aply it, how long to aply it, when to break tysons rythm and unsetle and frustrate him. alis judgement was excelent. ali was a very strong guy, he would have to be as good as he was in 74 though.
Perhaps, but then I ask, how much of Tyson's career should be put over to "allowances"? Apparently he is past his prime in 1991, but to green for footage to presented for analysis in 1986 (supposedly his peak year)? I understand that you don't hold both points of view at once, but boy, discussing Tyson can get tough.