Would Ryan Garcia have beaten Devin Haney without the PEDs in his system?

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Would Ryan still have won without PEDs and coming in over weight?

  1. Yes, he still would have won

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  2. No, he surely would have lost

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  3. I believe Ryan is innocent

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  1. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Considering no one in hell sans CST80 picked Garcia to win
    - Garcia shocks the world & now he pops dirty for peds it’s a very bad look.
     
    Hanz Cholo, May 4, 2024
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  2. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't think there is any way of knowing for sure

    Haney did bank rounds and have moments. Obviously the PEDS are going to have a positive effect on performance

    I think they should make it an NC and move on but to say its the only reason Ryan one is not clear
     
    KO KIDD, May 4, 2024
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  3. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Proof he came in at 171
     
    ellerbe, May 4, 2024
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  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The problem with this is, assuming Ryan is guilty that is and did take PEDs, we have to apply the same rules to all PED cheats not just selectively apply it to certain fighters and in that case the accomplishments and wins of every single PED cheat in history are in question

    Would Roy Jones have become a four-weight champion without PEDs?

    Would Clenelo have become a four-weight champion without PEDs?

    Would Tyson Fury have become HW world champion without PEDs?

    Then you have fighters who haven't actually failed PED tests but there are so many red flags surrounding them regarding PEDs that it's patently obvious they were PED cheat, most notably Floyd who, like Roy was back then and Clenelo is now, was widely considered the best fighter of his generation and if Belly beats Usyk he will be considered the best HW of his generation and one of the best HWs ever.

    And at least one or more of these best fighters of their respective generation/PED cheats are the boxing idols and favourites of the anti-PED brigade who are pooping at Ryan for being a PED cheat, and who are arguing or maybe rather insinuating the only reason he beat Haney is because he was on PEDs, but they have to hold their favourites to the same standard which they don't do. The entire careers and accomplishments of these PED should be in question, no?
     
    Serge, May 4, 2024
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  5. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Ryan Garcia may have a VALID excuse for the PED failed tests.. Unless he's LYING once again. The truth is about to come out.
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    Mark Anthony, May 4, 2024
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  6. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    The excuse is plead “insanity”, because he’s literally off the reservation right now.
     
    Reppin501, May 4, 2024
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  7. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    The IV scandal did happen there is documented proof. Floyd got off when others likely wouldn’t have. So no fantasy but you are right Floyd was never booked.
     
    MidniteProwler, May 4, 2024
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  8. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Both fighters were in all likeliness on PEDs so I doubt it changed much.
     
    iceferg, May 4, 2024
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  9. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The “PED” is Ostarine and that did zero for his performance and he was just too lazy to make weight so that did zero also.
     
    AlwaysFirst, May 4, 2024
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  10. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I can tell you if you want? The hard part is actually to get it off, get it back is fairly easy if you know your doing.
     
    AlwaysFirst, May 4, 2024
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  11. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Legally?
     
    Jacques81, May 5, 2024
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  12. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, the trick is that you have to been weighing that before the weight in because the hard part is to take it off. You will not get back more than what you weighed before the weight in.

    If you know what you’re doing and have the right routine you can get back what you sweat out. 31lb is a lot of weight to sweat out and it’s a lot to get back, but it’s doable if you’re have the discipline to feel like death until you made weight.
     
    AlwaysFirst, May 5, 2024
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