Would Sugar Ray Robinson k.o. D**k Tiger? The Sugar Ray of the early 50's.....not the old Robinson barely able to keep his title at the end.
I doubt it. Tiger would have to rank as one of the toughest guys to ever fight for mine. It took the almost otherworldly power of the much larger Foster to put Tigers lights out and by then **** was removed from his best weight and well past his prime. As good as Robby was, if you were good enough and tough enough you could survive (not always though it must be admitted) and I think Tiger was good and tough enough to last the distance and in fact give Ray a hell of a good fight.
I don't think so either...I would pick Robinson to win, but he would need to go to the backfoot for the most part to do it. If he met aggression with aggression initially...he could be in trouble.
To shed some light on **** Tiger and his chin...and his aura of invincibility,.......... Marvin Hagler retired from boxing...rather, he walked away from the sport in 1987 at the age of 33 (or 35 iof you believe that Hag was born in '52)...never decked and for all intents and purposes,...considered to be indestructible....his chin stellar.......... **** Tiger was 36 already in 1965...the year he regained the middleweight title from Joey Giardello...and had never been decked. Tiger had the same reputation for being a punch-proof iron man as Hagler. It was Emile Griffith who turned the trick of decking Tiger...and that was a flash kd...he was down on one knee at that.....a couple of months away from turning 37....and as Young Griffo pointed out, it took Bob Foster at 175 to actually knock Tiger out. So, I would say no to anyone stopping the Tiger man at middle,...even SRR....but I say that guardedly, as Robinson did show himself capable of doing away with Gene Fullmer with a single shot....so......
I was envisioning the "Fullmer-type" left hook via SRR landing on Tiger too...and wondering about the result.
The Fuller left hook is considered not only the punch of Robinson's career but possibly the most famous punch in boxing history .. that was lighting striking .. **** Tiger may have been the strongest middleweight that ever lived .. I see Ray decisioning him but a KO is highly unlikely ..
I agree but Robinson was one of the very few gifted boxers that could get concussive power off the backfoot. With either hand he was dangerous. He had that rangy ability to stop on a dime when seemingly out of the range of his opponent. He stopped LaMotta who had as good of a chin as Tiger but Jake being weight drained may have contributed to that. With that said I wouldn`t bet on him to KO Tiger but I think early 50s Sugar Ray would box with him and bang with him when he had to probably on his way to a decision.
I also agree with what you say about Robinson's power...It seems to be a growing common theme that LaMotta was weight drained during that 6th meeting...It is mentioned in the live broadcast of that fight, that LaMotta has sparred a 100 rounds, and has prepared harder than in previous fights...I believe if I'm not mistaken that if LaMotta would have not made weight, he would have forfeited the title...Robinson was going to fight him regardless. So weight drained? Yeah...maybe so. Time to prepare adequately, and effort put into that preparation? Definitely so. IMO the better middleweight won that fight convincingly...not matter how it's spinned here on the board by Klopton or Bert.
Comfortable decision -- 10 to 5 in rounds or better -- but no KO or KD for Sugar Ray. He'd settle in for a long night's work and rely on his skill rather than power.
Fair enough. If he could stop Jake LaMotta it`s not inconceivable he could stop **** Tiger or anyone else for that matter. In the early 50s pre retirement Robinson was still able to throw a lot of punches and put together combinations. I wouldn`t rule out a stoppage if Sugar Ray is able to consistently put his hands on you.
Why are you saying I "spinned" the Robinson KO of Jake LaMotta in their last bout ??? Because I posted the fact that it was well known that LaMotta had to somehow shed about 10 pounds days before the fight and that weakened LaMotta considerably, and SRR knowing this fact acted accordingly coasting for half of the bout, allowing Jake to expend his energy and then going all out stopping the exhausted LaMotta in the 13th round...I have said this many times that SRR was by far the best fighter I ever saw ringside and he surely doesn't need my "spinning" by me or anyone else. But FACTS are FACTS and like it or not LaMotta was "weakened" by his own lack of proper preparation for that fight...One other thing, even a Hagler nor a **** Tiger would have survived the brutal onslaught inflicted on LaMotta and remained on their feet...No MW had a chin like Jake LaMotta...
Haglers chin was the equal of LaMotta's if not better and don't think Robinson would dent Haglers chin. I'd pick Hagler over Robbie at 160 anyway
I go with the consensus here. Robinson would outpoint Tiger but I don't think he could knock him out.