Would the 37year old Jack Johnson do better against Marciano than Walcott?

Kind of you to say so,it really didn't impact on me much because I've been visiting friends and relations over the week.

 

I don't think Hart "shut him down" the second part of the fight. The reports I read see to illustrate that Hart did better over the second half of the bought, but still wasn't doing much in the way of hurting Johnson and Johnson was still delivering the telling blows even then.

You could be right that Maricano could grind him down, I just have a sneaky suspicion that Johnson might.. might... just toy with Mariano more than we might expect. He loved guys to come at him in this way, he seemed to thrive on it, but you could be right.

 

Short swarmers did not do well with a prime JJ.

 

Marvin (and Marciano) were but one inch shorter than Johnson.

And according to those who were there, the only time either Hart or Johnson was likely to hit the canvas was when Marvin tagged Jack in the 11th.

 

This is an interesting match up though, Johnson was a defensive genius and good counterpuncher. His style would trouble marciano who was inaccurate and ultra aggressive. I still think rocky wins this though

 

This would be my understanding at a guess. Altering a swear word so it bypasses the filter well enough to be easily understood.

 

Marciano was 5'10" or 5"10.5" Johnson 6.'0.25" Its irrelevant anyway, it isn't about how much shorter they are than Jack but that short men had a bad history versus him.
eg Burns,Ross,Ketchel,McVey,Flynn, Childs, Langford. Johnson said before his fight with Burns,that short men,and men that crouch have to get high to hit me and when they do, I nail them. Johnson finished the Hart fight unmarked ,Hart was marked up considerably,bleeding from the nose ,mouth ,and eye.
11th rd "It was give and take slugging for most of the round.Johnson landed a staggering right,but Hart landed a left to the body.Hart started to improve..When Marvin landed overhand wallops,Johnson rolled his head with the blows.
Johnson landed a right uppercut and a number of rights,puffing Hart's left eye.
Hart landed a right to the stomach and short arm rights to the head ,but Johnson retaliated with two forceful blows to the ribs.
Hart was forced to cover up quickly to avoid the onslaught that pushed him back to the ropes.
Leaning against the ropes,Hart drove his right to the head and then shot two lefts to the stomach.Johnson countered with left hook to the jaw and fast in-fighting followed.
They swung rights simultaneously.Hart was the first to land to the jaw and Jack reeled back.
Hart drove his stiff right to the body and the bell rang.
It was a good rally by Hart and one local source opined it gave him the honors of the round by a margin".
The idea that it was "all Hart," after the 10th is a fallacy.
The consensus of the press was that Hart took the12th by a slight margin,.Johnson the13th.
The papers were divided on the 14th and some felt it was even.
Hart his low in the 15th but it was ignored by the referee.Johnson scored with cleaner punches,but Hart was the aggressor making the fight,so possibly Hart's round.
16th Hart took the round which was described as tame.17thJohnson's round according to all but," The Call," who consistently gave close rounds to Hart throughout the fight.
18thrd Johnson scored "the greater number of blows," but Hart kept pressing forward, one paper described Hart as "well hammered in this round and that he appeared to be tired," with his nose shredded and his eye closed .The Chronicle said Johnson ,"put it all over Hart "a level playing field would give this round to Johnson.Hart had his head and shoulders outside the ring at one point. The Call reluctant as ever to give Johnson the round called it," about even.".
18th rd The Examiner stated Johnson," landed the greater number of blows",but Hart did not falter and pressed the fight.seems Hart was getting an inordinate amount of credit for showing gameness and coming forward in the face of punishment?Johnson hurt Hart with a left to the body that made him clinch.Even rd.
19th Hart's round on work rate.
20th Hart's round clearly.
Greggains the referee said," I gave the decision to Hart because he was the aggressor throughout and carried the fighting all the way.The damage done to Hart;s face was done by a few jabs."
[Closed eye mouth bleeding profusely nose shredded left side of his face puffed left cheek swollen and discoloured!]
"Hart blocked the majority of the colored man's blows.I always give the gamest and most aggressive man the decision".Hart was perhaps more objective?
"Johnson is a big clever ****** with a long left arm and that is why I wear this battered face."

Good job Greggains never refereed
Mayweather v Maidana.
Cobb v Holmes.
Ali v Chuvalo

 

BS, Marvin Hart was shorter and out worked Jack Johnson, defeating him on points. Hart was the only good swarmer that Johnson fought in his prime.

Please do not list a teenage Sam Mcvey or a an estimated 20 year old 156 pound Langford as examples

Marciano is far > than Hart. He would not stand there like a fool just waiting to be clinched. Rocky throws lots of punches to the body, arms, and head. A 37 year old Johnson would have no quarter and be taken out.

Actually I think prime for prime Marciano beats Johnson but that is another thread.

 

McVey was 20 years old when Johnson knocked him out after beating the **** out of him throughout the fight. Pollack thinks Langford was 23 when he fought Johnson ,any age given is, like the weights only an estimate. Many disagreed that Hart was entitled to the verdict against Johnson ,and there is neither profit or pleasure for me in entering into a discussion with Johnson's number one hater about it.

 

BS, Marvin Hart was shorter and out worked Jack Johnson, defeating him on points. Hart was the only good swarmer that Johnson fought in his prime.

Please do not list a teenage Sam Mcvey or a an estimated 20 year old 156 pound Langford as examples

Marciano is far > than Hart. He would not stand there like a fool just waiting to be clinched. Rocky throws lots of punches to the body, arms, and head. A 37 year old Johnson would have no quarter and be taken out.

Actually I think prime for prime Marciano beats Johnson but that is another thread. -Mendoza

Mcvey was a teenager for the first two matches and just 20 for the third match. Young, raw, green...

Langford was likely under 160 pounds, I'll go with Clay who wrote a book on Sam Langford and says 20 years old, not Pollack, who's pretty much done posting here.

Jeannette was a raw novice when he meet Johnson.

If you add up all of the matches for Johnson here between Jeannette, McVey and Langford ( I'm too lazy to count ) he has but one stoppage win, and it took him 20 rounds despite having a huge edge over the three in terms of heavyweight bouts fought, and years fought.

Facts are not an agenda.

I see you skipped over my retort to your smaller swarmer in Hart, but to use Pollack's name who did write a book on Hart, he thinks Hart defeated Johnson and deserved the decision!

I might have missed you pick here, are you picking Marciano or Johnson?

 

Johnson made no attempt to stop Mcvey in their earlier fights indeed he didnt go after McVey till the end of their last fight. Johnson floored Langford 3 times ,one was ruled a slip ,both recognized knockdowns were described as," long nine counts". Johnson floored Jeannette multiples times in their series.Johnson floored McVey several times.
None of them ever floored him!

McVey is credited with more fights than given on Box Rec and he was good enough for a promoter to offer Champion Jeffries a very large guarantee to fight him,an offer Jeffries declined.
I've provided round by rounds summary from the 11th round onwards taken directly from Pollacks book!
Why don't you read the fight reports instead of talking nonsense?

Pollack doesn't post here often? Does that mean his knowledge and diligent research is devalued in some way? .I'm in occasional contact with him elsewhere. Exchanging with you is like being in a time warp,you spout the same hate filled rubbish ad nauseum it not only predictable,bigoted and unsavoury, its very boring,and off topic ,go bore some one else ,you sad hater!