Would the average boxer today win a round v the best boxer 50 years ago?

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  1. Blandman

    Blandman New Member Full Member

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    The population to draw from is much larger today than 50 years ago, literally billions of people larger. Training methods and nutrition are much more advanced as are medical procedures treating injuries that may have been career ending a few years back.

    On the other hand, there are more people participating in other sports, boxing is far less popular today and life is easier for many more people than 50 years ago. The population may have grown but, I’m not sure the potential pool for boxers has.

    A lot of this depends on the rules, 12 or 15 rounds, ped’s or no ped’s, weigh in 2 days before the fight or one, etc...Similar to the question of who wins, the lion or the tiger, it depends mostly on the size of the arena and the terrain...the rules matter.

    One interesting piece of actual real, non-theoretical evidence offers some help; George Foreman. His pro career started 50 years ago. And after his championship run, he took 10 years off before lacing up the gloves again. 10 years away is an insane amount of time away for any sport, and as one would expect he was far from the fighter he was previously. The shell of Foreman kicked some serious a...for over a decade that bridged to our modern era. Personally, I don’t see any of the modern HW’s being able to handle young Foreman’s telephone pole jab.

    My guess is that the boxers that were special 50 years ago would just as special today.
     
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  2. 3rdegree

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    There is only one way to find out. Dust off your copy of Fight Night and I'll see you online.:cool:
     
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  3. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Despite being undersized, Ali could beat any HW today.

    You've just seen last weekend how the perfect blend of styles and attributes can overcome a size deficit.

    Ali was the perfect size.

    He was 6'3, with a 78" reach, and he was light on his feet.

    He also possessed great attributes, such as: Hand speed, foot speed, reflexes, chin, and heart and supreme confidence that could intimidate even the best fighters.

    A great all-round package.
     
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  4. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You've got to stop going on that site with those simpletons.
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not sure if you're serious or not.

    There were some great fighters who fought more than 50 yeas ago, and Mark was referring to just average fighters of today.
     
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  6. Loudon

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    He said the average fighters of today.

    You can go back more than 50 years, where the greats of the past could beat the best guys of today, let alone just the average ones.
     
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali was 6'3 and he beat Foreman who was 6'3-4, Ruiz is 6'2 and destroyed AJ without modern fancy pants training.
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And they`d have looked really clever after Ali went on to take punches from far more powerful fighters than Cooper, like Shavers and Foreman.
     
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    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where as Earnie Shavers didn`t.
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    250lbs is heavier than AJ was v Ruiz.
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with all of that, but what has Ray Robinson got in common with Khan?
     
  13. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Boxing has improved from the M.O.Q. but for many years now it's just ebbed and flowed.

    Some divisions are stronger than in past decades, yet some are weaker.

    Boxing doesn't keep progressing in the way that sports like sprinting does.

    Boxing is a stand alone sport. You can't compare it to a race against the clock from point A to B, where the sport deals in milliseconds, which means that equipment and technology can have greater effects.

    A sprinter from 30 years ago couldn't match today's times, yet there's tons of fighters from 30 years ago that could beat some of today's fighters.

    There's guys from over 50 years ago that could beat some of today's fighters.

    Regarding Ali and Joshua, Ali was clearly fitter. He could fight scheduled 15 round fights that were only a month apart, and in his prime, he could be up on his toes. Whereas Joshua has huge stamina issues due to his size and muscular frame. His tank can empty very quickly and it's one of his biggest weaknesses.

    Yes, we have YouTube etc today to study the greats of the past, yet we don't have the great trainers of the past, which can pass on invaluable knowledge. Nor do the fighters come up in the same way, where they used to encounter every different style on the way up. Studying fights is one thing, but seeing it first hand is completely different. Joshua saw footage of Ruiz and he knew exactly what to expect. He knew how he'd approach the fight. Yet he couldn't do anything about it and has now lost his titles.
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson showed the potential to be the greatest fighter ever at heavyweight and that includes todays heavies, AJ would not take Tyson`s shots better than Joe Frazier would have, nor could he have taken that hook that dropped AAli in the 15th of the FOTC, AJ does not have a chin as good as Ali`s, chins have not improved.
     
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    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ruiz would have destroyed Mathis easily.
     


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