Would the chin experts of ESB care to grade the following chins?

Although interesting, rating chins like this is pointless.

Getting KD or KO'd had more to do with the puch as opposed to the chin. I bet half of the shots that dropped people with "bad chins" were hard clean shots that wouldve hurt anyone (sometimes).

Also rating people based on how many times they have been dropped or KO'd is very misleading, again because it depends on the punch.

 

Zakman, how would you rate the chins of Lacy and Andrade?

 

I never understood why everyone said lewis' chin is glass, he fought the best Heavywieghts and was knocked out twice. So was Holyfield and everybody thinks he has a great chin.

 

Both are solid. I'd put Andrade slightly ahead of Lacy because Lacy was floored by Calzaghe, who is not exactly the hardest hitter. Andrade, on the other hand, stood up to Kessler, a harder hitter.

Of course, since both remain active, it remains to be seen what their final ratings turn out to be. If you asked me to speculate, I think that Lacy's rating might go down while Andrade's may go up. But this is really just speculation at this point.

 

It took FAR better fighters, and FAR more rounds to knock Holyfield out - and when he was in the heart of his career, he was only stopped once, against Riddick Bowe, one of the best HWs of the era. And even then, it took eight rounds of punishment to take him out!

 

Agreed, Lewis' has pretty good chin though, he took everything Vitali had to offer and still didnt go down at the end of his career.

 

I wouldn't call it "pretty good" because Lewis was knocked cold once - the telltale sign of a glass jaw. And he was knocked senseless, although not cold, against McCall. Yet, as you say, on other occassions, he wasn't. All in all, imho, it adds up to a rating of "shaky.":yep

 

That was one of my favorite fights of 03, Lewis' slugged it out with a huge puncher and came out the winner and didnt go down once, who knows what would of happend if the fight continued. I had a new respect for both fighters after that night, thats what every title fight should look like, two men beating the **** out of each other to be champ.

 

I respect and mostly agree with your scoring system, but TKOs and knockdowns should count too. The only reason Wlads chin looks good now is because no one has tapped it since Peter, everytime he gets hit with a solid punch he has a panic attack it seems, his chin is glass. Your telling me he wouldve got knocked the **** out against Brewster if they would of let the fight go longer?

 

I don't know. It's precisely because of these sorts of uncertainties that I think refs shouldn't be so quick to pull the trigger on stoppages. If that fight had gone to its natural conclusion, we would know. As it is, all we're left with is speculation. And given that, I can't rate Wlad's chin as glass, because he's NEVER been truly knocked cold.

 

I understand what your saying, but in boxing the only reason stoppages happen is because a fighter is in danger of being seriously hurt and probably knocked out. Wlad couldnt even defend himself in the Brewster fight and at one point had his hands down, a knockout was inevitable.

 

Zakman's and Amterdamn's chin obsession is lame and full of double standards.