Would the Klitschko's beat the ZIare version of Foreman

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  1. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    LOL. No fighter with a glass chin is beating prime Foreman. No fighter with questionable will to win beats prime Foreman. Boxing has little to do with size...all you MMA types talk about are size, weight lifting, being cut....everything but what boxing is all about...will to win, durability, the ability to FIGHT. George just walks through both men...size won't enter the equation. George is the greater FIGHTER, ATG heart, ATG will to win. The brothers much less so...obviously.
     
  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Vitali at the best would beat the **** out of Foreman.

    Not sure about Wlad. It would come down to who disguised their vulnerabilities the best.
     
  3. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both men are wide open for right hands...Foremans best punch. See all those uppercuts Lewis hit Vitali with? Just one from prime Foreman and they would still be looking for his head.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Foreman is wide open for right hands...both Klitschko's best punch. See all those uppercuts Ali hit Foreman with? Just one from a prime Klitschko and he would still be looking for his head.
     
  5. rusak

    rusak Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The nutbag gallery with their predictable garbage posts... Foreman has a puncher's chance against Wlad. Most likely he loses to both, by stoppage.
     
  6. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vitali has a chance but it would be embarrassing watching what he would do to Wlad.

    I think we may see another episode of Wlad voluntarily hitting the floor to avoid excessive punishment.
     
  7. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Like another poster said, Wlad's distance management would not be enough to contain Foreman.

    Foreman would KO him. If Wlad lands a serious shot, it will only make Foreman end it that much sooner.
     
  8. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you're a bit delusional in this case. If you said Vitali would beat Foreman, you have an argument.

    But Foreman WILL get to Wlad. Wlad cannot keep him on the outside long enough. Foreman will get in punching range, and in addition, I wouldn't be surprised if Foreman is stronger than Wlad.

    In fact, I would bet on it.
     
  9. HOUDINI

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    Ali landed no uppercuts on Foreman. Neither brother is in any way higher skilled. It would be a slaughter since both cannot take what would be coming their way.
     
  10. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Your stylistic points are well taken. So is the chin comment, though I attribute his knockdowns against Young and Ali to exhaustion. George never had very good stamina.

    As far as strength goes, though...Foreman aged 10+ years, added forty pounds of lard, and became an immovable brick wall who pushed modern heavyweights around. Foreman in his prime was a very, very strong man.

    Now, you might argue that Foreman trained with weights more regularly in his second career, but he was doing plenty of strength work as a younger man as well. And he wasn't a grandfather back in '74.

    Foreman was just an abnormally strong, hard-punching fighter.

    Fighters today balloon up between fights. The Klitschkos are the exception to that pattern.

    Fighters' training habits in the 1970s varied when they weren't fighting, just as they do today. You're talking as if 1970s boxing wasn't already fully professionalized, centuries-old sport where millions of dollars were at stake.
     
  11. fists of fury

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    You seem terribly impressed by Klitschko's stature (6'5" 245) as are so many other Klitschko fans. It's almost as if all one has to do is list their height and weight and we have a winner.

    George, even as an old man, gave ground to nobody. Punchers like Briggs and Morrison suddenly turned boxer because they knew they could not outpunch an old man in his forties.
    Holyfield recently said that the ONLY man he felt he could not shift back at all was Foreman, and that the man who hit him the hardest - easily - was big George. Holyfield fought plenty of big, strong guys and yet it was George he picked above all others, including Tyson and Lewis.
    You can dismiss it if you want, but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that
    Foreman's punching power and raw physicality was very, very real.

    I have no hesitation at all in believing that despite being smaller and lighter (though hardly a small man by any standard) he is a stronger man and harder hitter than either Klitschko, and far more physically tough than either.

    What I'm driving at with all of this is that there is no way either Klitschko is forcing George onto the back foot. It's not Vitali's style nor is it Wlad's by nature anyway, and even if they tried, they would find it akin to trying to push back Mount Rushmore.

    So George is coming forward and pressing the action.

    Let's get that out of the way before we move on.
     
  12. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Old Foreman should not be considered in this discussion. I grew up in that era and watched George live and in person. I know what prime Foreman brought to the table and never do I think "size". Every post you are the one talking size. Size is the last thing to consider. George was a killer...he would have knocked both brothers out in comical fashion. Prime Foreman was a force of nature...he would have cut the ring as both men would be in retreat mode. Ali was surprised how quick Foreman was and so would these guys. Neither sees the forth round....Wlad does not make two full rounds. Glass chins don't beat prime Foreman.
     
  13. Bollox

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    True, both are KO'd and Vlad especially would be an absolute mess after his KO. These day way too much emphasis is placed on size where the HWs are concerned. Bigger seems to have become better which is utter BS. Vlad has lost several fights and all to smaller men. Same with Vitali and his losses :tired
     
  14. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very true. I spot the inexperienced quickly with all the emphasis on size, physique. It's the last thing a knowledgable person would mention. Three nobodies koed Wlad in comical fashion. Georges power was off the charts and he was an ATG....not a Brewster, not a Purrity, not a Sanders......he utterly destroys both men.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Vitali Yes. Wlad? Maybe. Foreman was gassed early and fought like a fool.