Would the Klitschko's beat the ZIare version of Foreman

Considering weight, height and reach advantage that K2 have over Foreman I don't see how "big" George stands any chance against them.

 

The sport is boxing....a skill sport. Weight, height and reach are the last variables you should consider. We all know George has ATG heart, will to win, chin. We all also know the brothers do not. What happens when George hits either man with his best shot? Obviously the bout would be over. Prime Foreman had the skill to put that one punch over.

 

A heavyweight is a heavyweight. The brothers can't take what Foreman has to offer. They don't have ATG attributes while Foreman does. You once again reveal your shortcomings.

 

Which is exactly why I'd favor the Klitschko's over Big George. Wlad's got good enough footwork and agility to use angles and range against the one-dimensional Foreman, and Vitali's a sharp enough counterpuncher to outlast him. Old Ali wasn't a physical marvel at that point- he just was that much smarter a fighter than Foreman.

 

This is from the poster "rockysspiltnose" (who posts here too) who posted this somewhere else: (He just met Evander at an event a couple of days back)


"...in answer to some of the stuff brought up he said without any doubt the hardest puncher he was ever hit by was George Foreman - seemed pretty much without any shadow of a doubt - seemed pretty in awe of the guy all round really - said that when he got you good it made your whole body go numb and he also thought that at one point he thought George had maybe knocked some of his teeth out - his face had gone all numb etc and he didn't have any feeling in his mouth when he went back to his corner so he asked his corner if his teeth were all still there because he couldn't feel anything he also said that George was the only man he just could not physically move back - he simulated crouching in there and shoving and shoulder barging with all his might but just said he soon realised he was never gunna move the guy one inch so he said to himself I gotta do this differently and just go around the guy instead - he said he got a bit spooked when he saw footage of Foreman doing that jeep pulling stuff in training and carrying cattle over his shoulders etc - he said Foreman was far and away the strongest he fought.."

 

All this emphasis on size is getiing silly. There is not a significant enough difference here between George and the Klits to make it a big factor, if a factor at all.
We have all routinely seen smaller heavyweights destroy larger guys over the years. It really does not meriit any further discussion.
George is not a small heavyweight and he would not look small next to the K brothers. Let's leave it at that please, and concentrate on more signifcant factors which would determine the outcome.

 

John must be very young and inexperienced..he also can't read. A hwt is a hwt. Weight divisions are for the lower weights where 5 pounds can make a difference. Foreman the night he fought Ali was 6'3-6'4. 225 pounds and he could with one punch ko either brother. Ali stated he was surprised how quick George was so he was not slow. it's a silly discussion...the brothers can't take punishment or a punch and they would be fighting an ATG who hit harder than any other hwt champion. One punch and it's over.

 

Ali also stated...."he had he out several times...he just did not know it".

ATG with proven chins, will to win and ATG abilities always triumph over weak chinned walking statues with no will to win.

 

Ed "Too Tall" Jones was knocked on his ass by a much smaller man when "Too Tall" thought he'd have a go at boxing in 1979.

Ed "Too Tall" Jones
height -6 ft 9 inches
weight- 255 lbs.
reach- 88 inches
fist -15 inches



Jesus "Yaqui" Meneses (Too Tall's opponent) was 6 ft 2 inches tall and 204 lbs.

 

YES that was televised live on CBS TV. Too Tall was actually KOed in that bout I believe in round one but the ref gave him a super LONG count. The fight then went the distance and I forget who was given the decision or was it a draw?

 

Oh, for the love of...This thread was really starting to go places for a little while.

And then, we see things popping up like Foreman can't punch, both Klitschkos apparently have china chins, Foreman was a speedster, Foreman in his 50s was stronger than in his 20s, the Klitschkos are comparable to a tall 1970s journeyman, and a disparity of 20 pounds means that Foreman loses.

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That's a nice starter. Vitali's most controversial win(?)/loss(?)/actually-won-the-event, Wlad's loss to Brewster, Wlad clobbering Byrd, Foreman destroying Norton, and Foreman getting humiliated by Ali.

But don't stop there. Post your own. That's the great thing about the internet.


Now if everybody could actually point to specific places in the footage that makes their point, that would help enormously. You can't argue with video evidence.

 

Point to specific places??

Wlad koed three times in keystone cops laughable fashion....he has a china chin and when he is getting beat he wants to quit.

Vitali quit sitting on his stool against Byrd. The best fighter he ever fought stopped him...Lewis.

No one is saying Foreman is a speedster ...Ali stated on WWS a week after the fight that he was surprised how quick Foreman was in that first round.

Put up a poll asking members who would win...my guess that the knowledgable posters would choose George. Since only a minority on here don't belong on here Foreman would be the clear consensus winner......obviously.

 

quote=cross_trainer;15754686]Oh, for the love of...This thread was really starting to go places for a little while.

And then, we see things popping up like Foreman can't punch, both Klitschkos apparently have china chins, Foreman was a speedster, Foreman in his 50s was stronger than in his 20s, the Klitschkos are comparable to a tall 1970s journeyman, and a disparity of 20 pounds means that Foreman loses.
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Clark writes:
You wanted me to elaborate on the strength thing and I did.

 

Most of these things are very obvious points that anybody who followed a little boxing could point out, though. Chin, mentality, and records. I'm looking for a little more depth, given your experience in the game.

Also, it would be nice if you could prove the laughable inferiority of heavyweights from Wlad's era, which you frequently use as the lynchpin of your arguments. That's one area where we differ somewhat. (Even though I agree that Foreman would beat Wlad and likely Vitali).

That's fine, but we can actually see Foreman, Vitali, and Wlad on film. We're all adults here, and are perfectly capable of telling for ourselves whether a punch is traveling quickly or slowly. It's not like we're watching Johnson on speeded up Chaplin film.

At most, a poll would show that a majority of knowledgeable posters agree with you. It would not provide any interesting points of discussion, enlighten any readers of the board who haven't considered this matchup before, or convince anyone who disagreed with you.

I don't know about you, but I generally go on boxing boards for more than watching votes getting tallied.