Would the Soviet sports machine have taken over boxing had they allowed their Boxers to turn pro?

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  1. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Probably not.

    The Soviet amateurs were basically professionals and still lost a lot to the best U.S. Amateurs.
     
  2. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This

    They were fully funded by the communist govt and had jobs given by th govt but were basically full time boxers.

    Usually they were older and more experienced than their American and European opponents.
     
  3. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    And? The Soviet Union isn't just Russia
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Fighters from former Soviet republics represent 3 of the top 5 in the current Ring Pound for Pound rankings.

    But thanks for playing.
     
  5. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't know about take over but achieve a lot more yes the evidence seems to show that.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Ukraine and Kazakhstan, are not part of either Russia ,or the Soviet Union.
     
  7. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Bro what..... Both were part of the Soviet Union and many Russians still live in both
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Why dont you ask
    Lomachenko
    Golovkin
    Usyk
    The Klits
    What nationality they are?
     
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  9. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If they wanted to they could have. With the large population they had access to, combined with their ability to just implement whatever government plan they wanted, they'd have such an advantage.

    Make boxing a mandatory phys ed course in 5th-6th grade. The instructors look for kids who seem like they may have actual talent, send their names in. Those kids are offered after school lessons at the local gym. The instructors at each gym look for kids among those who seem like they may have actual talent, send their names in. Get what I'm saying? At each stage, look for the best, pass their names on, offer them opportunities. When you're screening your entire male population, you're going to identify talent. You're not going to have your potential Ivan Dragos ending up working in a factory, because they're going to be identified and offered opportunity.
     
  10. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You're pivoting, they were all born in the Soviet Union and are a product of the Soviet school of boxing to deny that is denying objective reality
     
  11. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    Ukraine and Kazakhstan were absolutely part of the Soviet Union. Ukraine very famously so, pick up a book.

    Usyk was literally born in the Ukrainian SSR. This whole topic is about the time frame the USSR existed not post collapse.
     
  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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  13. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    Lol
     
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  14. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Cuba would have fared better.
     
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  15. offshoot

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    They've been a massive, dominant force since they've been able to turn pro

    Undoubtedly they've have been a massive force had they turned pro sooner

    The greatest amateurs ever list is flooded with Great soviet union fighters. Not all of them would have made great pros, but some of them definitely would have.

    Maybe not 'taken over' but a huge force without a shadow of a doubt, possibly the strongest force. Great fighters from the past would have been split between Soviet and American fighters, and Cuban fighters to a lesser extent because they don't adapt to the pros as well as soviets,
     
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