would this man have been a great boxer????yes or no

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  1. junior-soprano

    junior-soprano Active Member Full Member

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    stupid question
    on evry carnival and freakshow and every outback village you have those kinds of strong man..
    boxing is completely some other ballgame..
     
  2. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He doesn't impress me. Strong he was ! But I had an uncle in the circus, He was a famous juggler... He was able to juggle three worries at the SAME TIME !!!
    Now that's impressive...
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    How do you know he could punch hard, he might be a powder puff puncher?Have a china chin and cut as soon as you look at him hard.
    NO strongman has successfully made the transition to boxing with the exception of Carnera and there is a huge question mark over his record.
     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    If he can alter what his body has been doing for a long lifetime and loosen up enough to turn and swivel his hips and shoulders without falling over, if he can judge distance, if he has speed and timing -and years to turn it all around........then maybe hed make it to novice level as a starting point.

    A lot of over developed top heavy guys have tiny feet for the rest of their body and their balance is all wrong for boxing.

    This guy looks leaner than a modern body builder but pulling and pushing strength never converts into explosive timing. A heavy handed arm punch still hurts but you need to learn when and how to pull the trigger and throw them fast enough to catch a moving target.

    Although succeeding in another physical activity shows there is dedication there, 9 times out of 10 it is a severe handicap when starting out in another sport.
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    There's lots of martial arts freaks and strongmen out there performing those sledgehammer stunts, some for real, some fake.
    Even when it's real it doesn't prove much. If a guy wants to take a sledgehammer in the abs or the shin that's up to him.

    It's the blow that you don't see coming that does you in. :deal
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    As Houdini emphatically proved.:good
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    exactly. houdini learnt how to brace himself for a blow but died when a punch landed that he wasnt ready for.

    Often the only type of punch that hits a boxer is a punch that hes not ready for.
     
  8. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because of the thread, got me ta thinkin': Has any winner of THE WORLD'S STRONGEST MAN had any LEGIT success as pro fighter?

    The closest I can think of was Primo Carnera, who I understand was a carnival strongman.
     
  9. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    marius pudzianowski is a great athlete,yet he sucked even in mma.got his ass kicked by a fat slob.
    boxing isn't about who's the better athlete
     
  10. aramini

    aramini Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have to weigh in on this. Those strong men are NOT athletic at all, they have no endurance, no reflexes, no stamina, are usually too heavy for their frame. Roy Jones was athletic: movement, stamina, reflexes, strength, agility. So sometimes boxing is, but lifting weights and absorbing sledge hammers is far far far from athletic
     
  11. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ahh few things to add, first to idiot that said every village
    has a strongman like zass, all i can say is
    WOW...i guess that is the reason all these village guys are legends like him right???


    now about being top heavy etc etc
    first off zass like many strongman are not top heavy
    in fact most strongman train way more core and legs
    then they do upperbody stuff like chest or arms...

    and this is a reason why they usually have huge thick legs
     
  12. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    please know what your talking about

    so being a legendry weightlifter is not athletic
    are you really that dumb

    its like saying a world class runner is not athletic
    just because all he can do is run....

    and everyone loves to rag on mariusz pudzianowski
    but lets see
    his mma record is 3-2
    but he did fight and show some things

    while again its not a boxing match
    it still shows he has reflexes not be hit with everything his way
    and for his body is actually preety fast..... but counter that point is that
    mariusz has trained boxing and karate since childhood


    lets not forget zass did not have a bodybuilder type of body like
    mariusz pudzianowski so he would probably be a lot looser.

    another thing zass would not be turning now
    it would be in his time, when big strong boys like willard
    firpo had quite a bit of success without great boxing skills

    i have no problem with people saying zass would not succeed
    maybe he wouldnt

    but saying that the reason he would not succeed is his phyisical power
    and that that his phyisical power would put him at a disadvange
    against another novice with regular physical power...is again
    just werid....



    again yes maybe he would have a glass jaw, maybe he would have an iron jaw, maybe he would be slow and stiff and then again maybe he would not.....

    but saying that a person's immense power is a disadvantage against another novice, just shows that some people dont understand
    that being stronger is an advantage like any other
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    when I boxed I trained with a weight lifter who took up boxing. He was brave and dedicated and he did make it to a couple of amatuer fights but it took him a long time to reach that level, longer than average. He was very strong, the biggest problem he had was turning himself into his shots, he did develop some hand speed, he improved a lot of things but he lost a lot of weight in the process. The only thing his strength ever did for him was you couldnt push him back. But he was very short for his weight and always at the mercy of a pure boxer. He could lift a car but hit no harder than any other regular novice. the thing he must have found frustrating was he could crush anyone in a clinch who could outbox him if he wanted to but obviously couldnt do that. It must have taken a lot of control in the begining for him but at least he tried.
     
  14. The Spider

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    There's nothing there that suggests he'd make a great boxer other than that he is prepared to work hard. He was showing more skill as an ahead of his time Planker than as a boxer.
     
  15. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yeah very good story, to be honest
    this thing of story is not uncommon

    i have one like myself
    well 2 actually

    one, a few of my friends compete as strongman
    and i remember i wrestled/grappled with them
    and the fact that i tapped both out is nothing to brag about
    because i grappled for 4-5 years

    but was amazing is that, they did not feel that strong...
    i boxed with guys who felt much stronger when i wrestled with them...

    that being said, i also grappled with weightlifters who felt
    utra super strong...so i guess its case by case

    another story is i remember i knew a bodybuilder
    very strong guy who boxed for years,
    yeah the guy did not punch hard at all...


    but i do know 2 other bodybuilder types who are boxers
    and they hit hard
    so yeah again its case by the case

    but i can see what your saying about having trouble turning into punches etc

    but like i pointed out
    Zass does not seem that muscle bound like most weightlifters