Would time traveling Harold Johnson be P4P #1 today?

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Is he the P4P#1

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  1. Journeyman92

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    This is a worthy discussion. @Seamus he is stiff and has no serpentine but he beat guys who had that twitch and hip snap.
     
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    Can someone summon the Greek with the eldrich abomination name? Strikes me as a Johnson enjoyer… :lol: that was an accident.
     
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    Yes, he would be. He beats both Beterbiev and Bivol, both of whom are already ranked top 10 P4P by everyone, if not top 5. That alone is probably P4P number 1 worthy, unless you prefer Usyk's toppling of bigger but worse men.

    That's not really an issue though. He could also absolutely move up to CW and have a lot of success. Harold Johnson vs Badou Jack for the WBC strap would be a sad, sad affair for Jack. He beats Zurdo as well. Really, only one stopping him from becoming undisputed at 175 and 200 is Opetaia.

    I'm gonna have a shot in the dark and say Johnson still beats him as well. He looks elite, mean and dangerous, but he's still too unproven against elite CW competition, and Johnson has beaten top contenders that size of decent quality in Nino Valdes and Eddie Machen.
     
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    @Ioakeim Tzortzakis sorry about this btw, solid post too lad.
     
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    Considering at times in his career he weighed as low as 165-170 etc wouldn’t it make more sense to roll through 155-175lbs which would match up better with his real career? It’d push his P4P ranking higher… weird to think he could overlap a division with Mayweather… Machen and Doug Jones would be at 175lbs Archie is a 168lber etc.
     
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    Nah it's fine, I can't expect native English speakers to read it properly and not have a stroke. It's fine in Greek, but definitely not in English.

    If it makes it easier for you in your head, Ioakeim is the Greek equivelant of Joachim.
     
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    I can see Johnson starting at 168. 160 is absolutely dead right now, no point in fighting there unless you're just plain too small for 168 and yet still can't make 154. 154 is stacked, but it seems way too low for a man of Johnson's frame to make.

    Archie was a big boy too, he had to go down from 196 to 175 for the Olson fight. He's absolutely modern LHW material during that early-mid 50's period when he fought Harold. He was probably bigger than Bivol and Beterbiev outright.
     
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    I was meant the part where I accidentally called you a Johnson enjoyer…. Johnson is a synonym of “man parts” for English speaking countries, I am unapologetic for not understanding your name it looks like if I’d say out loud It’d summon a demon and I’m a good Christian… I kid, I have a Balkan surname you don’t want to see. But back to Johnson, I’m not sure about Jai, Jai’s maybe 215lbs-220lbs on fight night he’s a fast southpaw guy with a real punch, did Johnson handle many good southpaws?
     
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    Johnson was 165-170lbs at some points, body composition doesn’t really affect the sort of water you can drop… he’d make 155lbs no worries at all IMO, 155lbers have been bigger then Ol HJ, his “frame” is big but he ain’t heavy and he wouldn’t be losing real weight. Ol Archie made 160lbs in his own time with same day weigh ins till his late 20s… I’m sure he’d be 160-168lbs till he wasn’t, he’d even be able to start at 147lbs comfortably, crazy as that sounds…
     
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    Yeah you can't expect me to understand that first part :lol:

    Nah, I don't think he has. But even then, being a southpaw is not the deal it's made out to be. It's just a switch in angles, it's not the magic voodo of the Usykian ghetto that people make it out to be, it doesn't grant you automatic victory over someone with no southpaw experience.

    Surely a P4P ATG, and a real pro like Harold Johnson who entered the ring with Archie Moore x5, Ezzard Charles, Jimmy Bivins and Jersey Joe Walcott can figure it out. He's had to deal with much worse than a lead hand that obstructs his own and outside southpaw angles of a 28 fight Boxer with limited world class experience. But I don't believe that his win over Opetaia is guraranteed anyway, it's just a shot in the dark.
     
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    Just because he could doesn't mean he would. I have a hard time believe he'd go through the process of cutting so much weight to fight someone like Fundora, Madrimov or Murtazaliev, when he's got the Canelo payday at 168 and 2 P4Pers at 175.
     
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    He's s good fighter and would do well in any division depending on where he fights but don't think he's consistent enough to become P4P number 1 no way is he better then Usyk or Inoue. Also don't think he beats Bivol or Beterbiev but thats just my take
     
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    Ahhh - I usually refer to @Pat M on this matter, not having the right experience with Southpaws can be disastrous - you don’t need to tell me it’s not magic vodoo I spend more time then anyone watching lefties get wrecked, I hate them, I hate how much they ruin my viewing experience. But yes no it’s not voodoo but it does require its own considerations.
     
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