Would tyson have had a melt down against 74 ali?

Pinklons jab did not rate with Louis or Holmes. Pinklons jab was highly technically flawed due to his stance and dropping it every time he threw it.

 

Pinky's jab is up there with the best of them. I prefer his jab over Holmes, to be honest. His jab single handedly beat Spoon, tore him apart with it and snatched his belt and made it his own.

But you say you were around at the time to know this...

 

I agree with a lot of it. I don't think Ali would be intimidated either, but if I were to pick which fighter would be intimidated it wouldn't be Tyson.

So Tyson cried before a fight when he was 16...and? He had that fire in him, that sensitivity that sparked his fear to bust his azz in the gym. He wouldn't be who he was without it. I just can't understand the people who think Ali wins "BEFORE" the fight. Like Ali was some magical magician from the planet Krypton. The dude struggled in his prime with lesser fighters than Tyson.

Tyson has fans because of what he did in the ring. Who cares what he did outside. He was a jerk. But these armchair pistolero psychologists, including you, think they know better.

 

It doesnt matter who was around when and where ....it has to do with common sense and Perry and co. LACK that!

I dont really care what Pinklon has done ...i used THAT guy bc Dundee was alis trainer and that is the match up we are discussing.....you even have head cases who think Tillis ( another Dundee trained fighter ) was a close fight against Tyson....this is what you call blatent stupidity. The differance here is Pinklon got a 30 fight experienced Tyson while Tillis got a 20.....


In reality Tyson has all the tools/style and strength to defeat Ali and do it in quick fashion at least 3 out of 5 times.

 

No, the question was not if Tyson would be intimidated. The question was would Tyson have suffered a meltdown.

Ali was adept at finding an opponents vulnerabilities. Perhaps he would have enraged him ala Frazier, or perhaps he would have focused on Tyson's fear of looking foolish. I can see the old Iron Mike becoming frustrated and losing it. I like Muhammad's chances of pushing the young fragile Tyson's buttons.

Ali could pull him into the deep waters and take him out.

 

Doubt it.

 

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We'll never know. Prime Ali carved out a pretty good career proving doubters wrong.

 

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Well it's a meaningless question, a pointless debate. Neither of them would be intimidated. I think we both agree.

I agree that Tyson's feat/sensitivity/emotion was what made him so deadly and dedicated.
I was just responding to the tone of Dubblechin's post. The folklore that suggests Tyson was some super-hardened criminal and street badass at age 14 etc. It just doesn't square with a kid who'd be caught on camera crying to his coach. I'm not saying he didn't have a reputation but he obviously had a very soft, even fragile, side to his character.

And the whole idea that "Ali couldn't live in Tyson's world" is silly, since thousands of far lesser men have and do.

I agree, Ali wouldn't win before the fight. He had plenty ability to win against a prime Tyson once the bell rings, in my opinion.

Tyson has fans because of what he did in the ring. I agree.
But there's a section of his fans who clearly fantasise about his early years on the streets, and"his world" and build a mythology around that. Dubblechin's comments went off into that realm, hence why I comment on it.

 

Pinklon Thomas had a excellent heavy jab. He didn't have a great defense outside of that though.
Thomas was a bit too easy to hit but had a remarkable chin. One of the best chins I've witnessed.

It's strange how Thomas became old overnight, still in his 20s (he looked older). He looked really good against Witherspoon but two fights later he looked over-the-hill against Berbick and was never the same again.
Maybe the fight with Weaver ruined him. Weaver was no joke. Thomas absorbed some brutal punches. He'd already had retina surgery and Angelo Dundee said that had always played on his mind. I think he had tons of outside-the-ring problems too, legal, financial, managerial and a divorce. Drugs perhaps, although I'm unsure if he went back on the drugs until some time later. Or maybe Thomas just "overperformed"against 'spoon then drifted back down a level.
He's a bit of an enigma.

 

I always thought his early drug addictions may have made him age a bit early ring wise. His draw with Coetzee is nothing to be scoffed at either. He was a really good fighter from around 82-85. I still remember him announcing himself on the scene with an upset of James Tillis after stepping in as a substitute for Witherspoon on a couple of days notice.

 

Yes, 1982-'85 he was prime and had 3 or 4 very good performances against the top fighters.
Namely Tillis, Coetzee, Witherspoon,Weaver.
I think the fact that he was a heroin addict when a kid might have taken a few years off his athletic longevity too. I guess it was one of a combination of factors.