Would tyson have had a melt down against 74 ali?

Yes that's exactly what i am saying. It had to have affected him as an athlete.

 

You denying Holmes avoiding Thomas and Page?

You're right I didn't live through those times but that don't mean I don't know about those times or my views ain't just as valid as yours.I don't think there's anyone here that's live through the times of Johnson, Willard,Dempsey, or maybe even Louis and up to Marciano and there's plenty that have very good knowledge of them and their fights.

 

Read again what I wrote.

 

Prove it. He did nothing but train leading up to that fight.

 

I don't think so. I think he lost focus for Berbick and didn't train well (I think he was hanging out a lot in music studios trying to sing), then kind of got it together for Tyson but wasn't quite as good as before. He started using heroin again right after Tyson beat him.

There's a book out there where each chapter is about a Tyson opponent and they go through it.

 

Pinklon Thomas claims he had an injured shoulder sustained a few weeks before the Tyson fight.
I don't know.

I know he looked poor against Berbick and against a few stiffs he fought between that and Tyson.

 

Possibly. I really don't think the addiction would have done him much good tho, later on.

 

Saying heroin would've affected him way after the point is too much speculation. He wouldn't have become a champ if that were the case.

 

Speculation for sure but so is saying he wouldn't have been champ if it was the case. There's a decent possibilty earlier heroin abuse ages certain functions of the brain somewhat prematurely. His timing and reflexes certainly appeared to dim pretty quickly and his legs weren't doing much better.

 

I suspect you're right. But there's a possibility that it contributed.
Whatever the cause or causes, he certainly went downhill fast.

 

Show me a study or something to support what you're saying. There is no basis for saying a person who reached a world class level athletically and used heroin way earlier would have a short prime.

Alcohol is actually neurotoxic, unlike heroin, so that would be more likely to damage a person's reflexes.

 

It's obviously a complicated subject.
I don't even know why reflexes would decline in any young adult, but they do.

It wasn't just heroin with Thomas as a kid. He was on everything, including alcohol and speed and downers.
Considering he started on that life maybe as young as 10 or 12, and didn't quit until 19, that could have aged parts of his brain and nervous system.
It's just a theory.

Another possibilty is that he was back dabbling a little with drugs around 1984 or '85, and not 1988 or 1989 (when he went completely off the rails again) as he claims.

 

Pinklon's career was somewhat typical for the 80s. He looked very good at times but turned in some poor performances. Looked ok against Tyson and then had an absolute fall off.

 

Are you from the streets? How can you say what went through Tyson's head or what went down during his early life? Are you a psychologist? You seem to think you know more than anyone else on the subject. You don't.

And who cares what fans think about Tyson's childhood! Why does that bother you so much? In the ring or out of the ring, the subject of Mike Tyson seems to get your panties in a bunch.