Agreed. And those brutal Foreman uppercuts from both hands, not just the right. Shoving and punching and the other guy is off balance and is having to re-set himself and then walk in. Guys that beat him were impossible to hit with uppercuts. I do not see Tyson taking away those 2 punches from Foreman. I was at the second Foreman/Frazier fight. The crowd was about 90% for Joe. But it didn't matter. You could sense about 1 minute into the fight Joe was never going to beat the guy. Just the wrong guy style wise. You know the way you and the crowd can just sense things at fights? For some reason it is not captured on tv, but it is live. It was strictly a case of the mouse in the cage with the boa constrictor; the mouse lives for awhile but once that boa decides it's hungry, the game is over. Same way for Smoking Joe in that 2nd fight. Once George connected on a solid punch Joe was going to get stunned and backed up and that would be it. Such a strange position for a tough hombre like Frazier to be in & you can almost count on your thumbs the guys even capable of putting Joe in a position like that.