Would u consider Oscar De La Hoya an ATG?

GBP is working on oscars status now claiming everyone that beat him is a cheat

 

DLH beat Chavez 2x, his record was

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As the robbery: DLH was also robed against Mosley.

I bet you can't find a single argument to prove that

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Okay lets make it real simple. The two guys we are talking about fought twice. Which one won more times? Lets just start with this okay. then well get into it further. as if we havent gone far enough.

 

but what I cant get through to you guys and i dont think I ever will is that, Oscar lost all big fights. when it was his chance to propel into ATG status he shot off a dude each time. 5 times to be exact.

 

And yet you turn around and give boxers like Mosely and PBF bigger ATG status when their biggest victory is DLH(the man you've been dismissing all this time)......you don't find that in the least contradictory to the point you're trying to make:huh

 

Here's a comparison:

Mosley's resume:

John John Molina (3 years and 9 fights after ODLH beat him.)
Jesse James Leija (3 years and 8 fights after ODLH beat him)
Oscar De La Hoya
Raul Marquez
Oscar De La Hoya (Mosley was on the juice for this fight)
Antonio Diaz (never a champ)
Fernando Vargas (3 years and 4 fights after DLH destroyed him and shot to hell)
Fernando Vargas (shot to ****ing hell)
Luis Collazo
Ricardo Mayorga (2.5 years after DLH raped him from the opening bell)
Antonio



Here's DLH's resume:

Fresher John John Molina
Fresher Jesse James Leija
Fresher Ricardo Mayorga
Fresher Fernando Vargas
Pernell Whitaker
Javier Castillejo
Ike Quartey
Rafael Ruelas
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Julio Cesar Chavez
Genaro Hernandez
Jorge Paez
Hector Camacho
Arturo Gatti


Winky Wright better than Bernard Hopkins???
Vernon Forrest better than Floyd Mayweather?
Miguel Cotto better than Tito Trinidad???

You've got to be kidding me!!!!

So Oscar lost a total of six times. Mosley lost a total of 5 times and to lesser opponents.

3 of Oscar's six losses were when he was past his prime.
4 of Mosley's five losses were when he was in his prime.

Oscar is a 10 time world champion.
Mosley is a 4 time world champion.

Oscar is a 6 division champ.
Mosley is a 3 division champ.

It took Mosley 2 fights to really beat the **** out of a shot Vargas.
It took ODLH 11 rds.

It took Mosley 12 hard, close rounds to beat a way past prime Mayorga.
It took ODLH 6 easy rounds to destroy a fresher Mayorga.

 

Then don't start mentioning his fishnet fiasco vis a vis with his ATG rating as if they are related. That just shows bias and hatred and not being objective.

 

I agree with you, h2h Mosley is better but ... there is nothing much further than that

DLH resume >>> Mosley resume
DLH h2h << Mosley
DLH longevity < Mosley

so at the end they are somewhere at the same spot in ATG ranking
but don't try to prove that Mosley's resume is better, its impossible.

What is working in Mosley favor is that he ain't finished yet and
if he beat Floyd or PAC his resume may be much closer to DLH's
and he can still do things which will be written in the history of mankind :smooch

There is saying that you can recognize true gentleman not from how
he starts but from how he finish, see Joe Calzaghe or Hopkins.

 

When Mosley beat Oscar in 2000 I scored it for Mosley in a close tough battle for him.

In the rematch I scored it 8-4 for Oscar, but I thought the rounds Mosley won, for the exception of round 9 were close, whereas the rounds that Oscar won were mostly clear.

I have it 1-1 against each other. ALSO when you compare common opponents ODLH for the most part did better against them than Mosley.

Also besides the Pacquiao fight where DLH was completely shot and weight drained, OScar has never been dominated, not even when he was past his prime.

Whereas Mosley has been dominated atleast by two fighters in his prime.

 

The question isnt 'who has the best resume' as I have followed Oscar since he was an amature , and he has always looked to test himself , the question is 'would you consider Oscar an ATG' now from the above names mentioned which of those did he fight in their prime , which ones did he beat ?, and which of those would wins would establish oscar as an ATG? Also the last three names you have on there were at least 3-5 years past there primes , and at that point were no more than paper names.

 

Name me one fighter in the last 15 years with a better resume.

My argument is now with hypercut, he says he has Mosley on his ATG list, but not DLH. Based on that statement his ATG must be pretty inconsistnat and shitty.

Never the less, in the last 15 years who has made it to YOUR atg list??

 

Hell yea..this should not even be a discussion....

 

again with you and these ****ing lists of bull****. I already told you numerous times why Mosley is on the list and ODH is not, but it seems like you are too ****ing ******ed to grasp the reason. YOu keep listing who he fought, and im asking you who he BEAT. We could have a fighter come in and fight all of the best fighters in their primes and lose to them ALL and still be considered an ATG. Man **** that. LIke i said, you judge a fighter based off who he fought, i judge based off of wins. LIke Herm edwards said


YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU DONT PLAY TO JUST PLAY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you a mexican UglyUgly, cuz if you are then I should know that I would never take the veil of ODH nuthuggery off of your eyes.

 

If your asking me who do I think has had the tougher opposition , then it is clearly Oscar , who do I think has been the more consistant? that is also Oscar , who would i prefer to watch Oscar , but you cannot have an ATG for the last 15 years , that is a contradiction. But what you can say is which of Mosley and Oscar would be higher in overall rankings from say 1993 , and it is clearly Oscar , still my favourite performance was against Mayorga, who I had beating Mosley by a couple of rounds until the last.

 

YOU said you had ranked Mosley as an ATG, but that you didn't rank Oscar in it.

I simply showed you that Oscar is more accomplished than Mosley in every category. His wins are more impressive than Mosley's and against better opposition.

DLH's losses are against superior fighters to those who Mosley lost too, and half were when he was past his prime whereas Mosley's were all in his prime except one.

DLH has beat MORE world champions, and has held more titles.

DLH has been champion 10X over, while Mosley has been champion 3X.

DLH is a 6 division champ, while Mosley is a 3 division champ.

So I ask, how in your right mind can you have Mosley over Oscar???? Or better yet, how can you put Shane in your ATG list, but not DLH????

So DLH lost to Hopkins, Mayweather and Pac when he was past his prime, who gives a ****. Roy Jones lost to, Tarver, Johnson, Calzaghe, and Green, and you still rank him in your pathetic ATG list.

:yep You're a dumb mother****er.

I thought Mexicans hated Oscar De La Hoya??????

Just cus your BLACK doesn't mean you have to hate on Non-Black fighters. Grow up *****.