Would u consider Oscar De La Hoya an ATG?

Oscar falls into the ATG category.

He may not be the greatest of all time, or the top 50-75, or even the 100 greatest ever on some people's list. However, Oscar is easily in the top 150 boxers of all-time (IMO top 100), and if you take into account how long boxing has been around and the number of accomplishments he has, you have to give him ATG status.

No matter where you place Oscar on your list, he is still "on the list" somewhere and would not be a forgotten fighter by people who talk boxing. Oscar is a hall of fame boxer and has his place in boxing history.

 

Yes. 27 titles, in 6 different weight classes (5 if you're nitpicking). If you don't consider him in the top 100 ATG for that, you've got personal issues.

 

You are 100% spot on there.

After Winky looked sensational in his schooling of Tito, Oscar offered him a career best 6 million dollar payday for a fight. Winky's camp turned it down. Winky said so himself in a b-scene interview a few years ago

Oscar gets unfairly criticised for not fighting him. Have a look at their careers and you know who deserves the benefit of the doubt. Winky has a history of making stupid decisions in turning down big fights. Oscar has always sought the best fights.

Anyway, Oscar is definately an ATG. Say what you want about his record vs other greats. It's better than Duran's against greats of his era. And Oscar had never been embarrassed until his old dehydrated body ran into a red hot Manny Pacquiao.

Besides that, he was competitive with everyone who got the W's vs him. He was even holding his own against Hopkins, who clearly was too big for him, before B-Hop wore him down. Add to that the calibre of his wins, which would put to shame the resumes of some already so-called ATGs. He is an ATG and would be a good match for anyone in history from 135-154.

 

Over 20 champions faced
Over 30 title fights
10 championships
7 weight classes

had a run of fighting 11 straight champions he faced since 2000 ...

 

He has an all-time great resume. He did however seem to always fall short against most of the best opponents he faced. Still, you should probably call him an ATG fighter. I'd agree with that.

 

Speaking of Hopkins, he is definately on people's ATG lists, and guess what, he loses to the best fighter he ever faced, RJJ, with as many losses as Mosley and DLH, and DLH's resume is way the **** better than hopkins. Pavlik and Wright are great fighters but not elite. Tito and Hoya were coming up too far. What does that leave him, Calzaghe's slapping his ass to a decision win?

Another fighter on people's ATG list is PBF. The muther****er hasn't ever fought ANY great fighters with the exception of DLH.

So yes, DLH is probably the BEST fighter of his generation.

I'm not arguing against you, Fighting Pride, I'm just using that highlighted part as a point of departure for my own rant.

Anyone else wanna throw out another one to compare resumes against?
I'm just curious as to what people consider ATG. If it ain't DLH then ATG don't mean ****

Also, while you guys are at it, compare Whitaker's competition at welterweight with DLH's.

As I said before when talking about certain "invincible" fighters. It's easy to look invincible when you're fighting a bunch of chumps. When you only fight the best you are going to seem vulnerable.

 

:good ATG :good

 

Well said, and think of the very good fighters he beat that he gets no credit for under welterweight, such as Ruelas, undefeated MA Gonzales, undefeated Chicanito Hernandez, Leija, Molina, Paez, and I completely disagree that JCC was a "dead man." Its such an excuse. He was 96-1 and the champion of the division. If he was so dead, he wouldnt have been undisputed champion coming off big wins such as the rematch of Taylor.

 

I think he is comfortably inside the Top 100 fighters of All Time. So, whether or not you describe him as an ATG is up to the individual, I personally do.

 

Without a doubt ATG check his record, champions beaten etc, championship fights. Should have got decision v floyd,should have got it v trividad, should have got it v mosley 11. Well beaten by pacman but fought at wrong weight and b hop was too big at that time. What a master of the sweet science

 

Exactly who did DLH beat to earn an ATG status?

 

Yes of course, he just doesn't have to be way up there...

 

:good

 

Floyd, Trinidad, and Mosley deserved the decisions they got against DLH.

How is DLH consindered an ATG when he LOST to the 5 best fighters he ever fought?

Trinidad
Mosley
Hopkins
Mayweather
Pacquiao

Not a win to be had among these fights - yet DLH is supposed to be an ATG?

I don't think so...

 

ODLH definitely is an ATG.

Robbed against Trinidad
Way past prime when fough PAC and Mayweather
Robbed second fight against Mosley
Beat Whitaker (Pernell didn't want to fight and was just clowning around)
Was a monster at lower weight
Beat Quartey
etc...


The whole ODLH ducking Winky is crap. At some point there were talks but Winky thought he was worth a lot more than he was (6 Million I believe)...Winky is known for thinking he is a draw...