Would Usyk be classed as an ATG Heavyweight

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Would Usyk have done enough to achieve Heavyweight ATG status

  1. Yes he’s ATG status

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  2. No he’s not ATG status

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  1. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    With Usyk having already beaten Joshua to take all his belts the other two standout fighters of this era are Fury and Wilder. If Usyk was to beat Fury and take his belt to become the first Heavyweight to go Undisputed in the four belt era and then went on to defeat Wilder is this enough for Usyk to be classed as a Heavyweight ATG having then won all the belts and cleaned out the division of his main rivals ?
     
  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Absolutely yes but I don't see it happening.
     
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  3. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don’t see it happening either it was just a theoretical question to see peoples thoughts on it.
     
  4. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    After he embarrasses Fury he BETTER be labeled as that!
     
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  5. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    If he puts away Fury, sure. He'll have dethroned two champions and made himself undisputed
     
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  6. TerryESB

    TerryESB The Final Boss Full Member

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    At Cruiserweight yes. Heavyweight is a work in progress ATM. I'll reserve me judgment after what John Fury and Teddy Atlas say about this last performance.
     
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  7. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    His HW resume: is Witherspoon, Chisora, Joshua, Joshua, Dubois.

    A gate keeper
    A top man in the division. Two times.
    And a borderline top 10 contender.

    He needs Fury he beats him. Yes
     
  8. Sauron

    Sauron Member Full Member

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    He literally has only a handful of fights at heavyweight, and only one opponent who was in the top 5. He's definitely an ATG at cruiser, but he needs many more fights against top heavyweight opponents before anyone can ask that question.
     
  9. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I hope your list of ATG heavyweights does not have Louis, Ali, Frazier or Holmes on it.
     
  10. Sauron

    Sauron Member Full Member

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    I don't understand what you're saying here. Who wouldn't have those names on their ATG heavyweights list?
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He's an ATG for what he has achieved at both CW and HW

    Undisputed champ at CW in just 15 fights
    Three belt unified champ at HW in just 19 fights

    Winning, defending, and unifying all his world titles in his opponent's backyards when some of the greats never dared do that once or categorically refused to

    He won 7 of the 8 world titles in 19 fights at two separate weights
     
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    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali, Louis, Frazier were cruiserweights. Holmes too was sub 220 lbs in his prime.
     
  13. Snails

    Snails Active Member Full Member

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    Not after today's loss.
     
  14. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    Undeniably, he is all-time great fighter but how anyone can say he is an all-time great heavyweight is beyond me. He doesn't have enough fights at the weight and he certainly doesn't have enough quality wins to have earned all-time great status.
     
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  15. Sauron

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    Sure, but they also had extensive resumes against the best of the heavyweight division. All I'm saying is it's too early to say the same about Usyk, he at the very least needs to beat Fury, Wilder, Zhang, or a few other top 10 heavyweights before we have that discussion. There's no doubt about his ATG status at cruiser, though, he was king of an absolutely stacked division.