Quote: Originally Posted by dragosuhail but zakman even you know far more skills and physical talents can neutralise weak/iron chins? anyway, i agree with the confidence assessment. it might open wladimir up to more chances for peter to get that lucky punch on the button, but i think the improvements wladimir has made since their fight has been far more than what peters done. and since confidence is an important aspect to wladimir or any fighter for that matter, he will be even more relaxed and when your more at home, you burn less energy. he needed that peter fight to prove he could still take punches from a heavy handed opponent. he took a few shots early on and realised he can take it, just as george foreman said: "it's satisfying when your trainer tells you something in the corner and you see it working." and "that thought i can't take it is gone in klitschko's mind". these were interesting statements and big george who had gone through similar demons after losing to ali, would know better than any one ringside. i think wladimir will come in with more aggression which might well end up in a late KO for him, while peter will be thinking too much in the ring because he remembers how much pain he had to go through last time. for peter to trouble wladimir in a rematch he has to show HUGE improvements. the maskaev fight will show us many answers. can peter beat a strong big boxer in maskaev (who has learnt not to leave himself wide open like previously). and can he win some boxing trades with maskaev. if he can beat maskaev by systematically breaking down maskaev's defence with body shots and well timed counters etc. then he's improved. if he wins by throwing wide looping power shots and catches oleg towards the end of the match while trailing on the scorecards then this doesn't bode well for him as it shows he simply relies on headhunting and against a guy nearly 39 or something like it. if he loses well, sam should never be mentioned with wladimir again, unless it's 2-3 years down the road and he's worked his way back up by beating a real legit top ten heavy for the first time ever :hey looking good against toney is obviously not counted. a small obese heavyweight. never mind how semi slick toney was. the age, size, strength were ALL in peters favour and he argubly lost the first fight :deal the batcheldor fight proved toney is too far gone these days. You beat me to it RUSKULL. That was a very well thought out post with many good points. dragosuhail, I too agree with your assesment.
I think he's more confident because he has some wins under his belt and his career isn't on the line like it was in the first Peter fight. At that time it wasn't far off the Sanders and Brewster losses and another loss at that point might have ended his career. That's why he clinched so much against Peter in their fight. I think he would open up more and punish Peter like he should have been. Anybody have a pic of Peter's face after the fight? It doesn't matter anyhow if Peter should get by Oleg he will be used as a heavy bag vs Vitaly. That's the fight I most want to see.
I give credit where credit is due. Especially when someone's post saves me typing out all the same points. :yep
you might not know this but there is more than chins in boxing.Peter hasn't been tested by anybodywith big power except Wlad.And in a rematch Wlad wins maybe by UD and showing you Zack even with an iron chin you can loose.:-(
No that's why peter looked like a drunken ballerina off of a Wlad left hook and was barely saved by the bell In a 12 round fight that is still lopsided scoring in Wlads favor. This more refined peter that you speak of has little chance of knocking anyone out at an elite level. Refining his skills pretty much means that eh straightened out his loopy haymakers and sacrificed some power for speed (though he is still extremly slow). His power comes from swinging wildly and top guys can avoid it pretty easily.
Im a Peter fan and after the fight with maskaev i will make a statement if Peter is ready for Wlad now or not. When i see clear improvements by Peter i think he had good chances to beat Wlad, or at least make it a verry hard fight for Wladimir.
Fair enough, but concider this: Since their 1st fight............. Sam Peter looked good vs. Toney the 2nd time and Toney went on to struggle vs. a tomato can named Batchelder. Wladimir Klitschko looked good against Byrd, who Golota, Oquendo, McCline, TOS, etc. all couldn't seem to figure out 100%. Wlad didn't just easily outpoint him, he TKO'd him. Wlad looked good against Brock who had recently beaten Lawrence by viscious KO & McCline by decision before before WK was the 1st to beat & KO him. Since that fight Brock has looked good in defeating his opponents showing he is still a viable contender. Klistchko looked unbeatable KOing Austin without ever throwing a right hand when Austin was coming off a Draw vs. another beltholder, Sultan Ibragimov. Klitschko claimed revenge vs. Brewster by beating him to the point of quitting, which isn't easy for a warrior of Lamon's level.
right! only prob is they arn't like Jeremy Williams and Peter has yet to KO a top 30 fighter, he might get exposed by Oleg before he get's there. Then he can go back to the grocery isle for his kO's
could? no question.... nobody should say he COULDNT.... he didnt let go at all in there first fight like he really can, and he STILL had peter hurt. would he? i doubt it... his confidence may be higher, but i dont think that will change his style. i think this is his him now... a measured, cautious fighter that breaks you down and outboxes you at the same time, wether he can blast you out or not.