Would Wlad survive in the 90s?

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I think Wlad and Lewis would have been a very competitve fight.

 

How so? Head to head? Accomplishments? No way.

Lewis dominated opponents that Evander would've struggled with like Razor Ruddock, Andrew Golota & Tommy Morrison. That's no bash on Holy either, it's just that Lewis was the better fighter overall.

Bert Cooper almost KO'd Holy, Lewis would've destroyed him. Holy dropped 2 out of 3 fights to Bowe, Riddick refused to fight the guy who beat his ass in the Olympics.

I don't even consider it close.

 

He could be competitive in the rankings, so yes he could survive.

Dominate? Another story. "Safety-first" wouldn't do him **** vs. the greats of the 1990s.

Foreman alone would slaughter him.

 

That matchup deserves a thread of it's own. It's been done many times too......................

 

Why would Evander struggle with those three?

Razor Ruddock got beaten twice by Mike Tyson, once via KO - Evander 2-0 Mike Tyson. I know this was an older Tyson, but still. Ruddock circa 1991 was no better offensively than the Tyson of 1995/1996.

Andrew Golota - Again, Evander beat Tyson 2-0 - Tyson later went on to KO Golota early. Golota's brain was too fragile to win a big fight - he found a way to lose BOTH Bowe fights even when he was winning. even if Golota is "winning" a fight with Holyfield, he will find a way to lose. Holyfield's heart >>> Golota's confidence.

Tommy Morrison - Please. Morrison was a poor man's Tyson and, again, Holyfield beat Tyson 2-0. Prime Morrison was at the MOST no better than Tyson of 1996. Do we even need to mention his glass jaw?

I'll concede that Lewis is the better fighter head to head, but to use Tommy Morrison as the reasoning.... atsch

 

Tommy Morrison easily outpointed Big George when they fought & Axel Schultz was robbed in their fight too. In fact George was getting his ass kicked before he landed that 1-2 & KO'd Michael Moorer.

Perspective people!

 

Just part of it. Lewis totally dominated Morrison & I don't think Holy would've done the same.

 

Bowe didn't want Lewis of course, but that in no way means Lewis has it easy with a prime Holyfield.

Holyfield was 37 years old to Lewis being 34. And btw, Holyfield as shown post-Lewis was well on his way out. Dropping decisions to guys like Larry Donald and Chris Byrd. His career was simply much harder than Lewis' career up to that point.

Holyfield also got to Tyson before Lewis did. Granted, I hold neither victory very high for either boxer. I'd consider Lewis' biggest win to be a faded Holyfield. Even then Lewis barely won - 2 points on 2 cards.

Holyfield on the other hand had memorable fights with Qawi, a faded Foreman, Douglas and Bowe.

Also, before Holyfield's slide, he never lost by brutal stoppage like Lewis did. Lewis was knocked out by journeymen, whereas Holyfield really hadn't started losing to journeymen until he was past his best days, 37+.

Razor Ruddock - Good fight, but Holyfield's desire > Ruddock's desire. Holyfield wins on attrition.

Andrew Golota - Golota would get bombed out by left hooks. I have no doubts. Holyfield was as sharp as they come inside. Golota would have gotten torn apart.

Tommy Morrison - If you think Mercer got him, Holyfield would have destroyed him.

 

Foreman II was slow as **** slidding down a stick & he admitted it himself. He was still powerful but you would have to be real sloppy to get caught with anything big. Wlad's current skills wouldn't have allowed that to happen. My point with Tommy was that if he, with a very fragile jaw and only basic skills, could beat Foreman II so easily, Wlad would've had a field day with the 90's version of Big George.

 

All good points, especially "..............His career was simply much harder than Lewis' career up to that point."

But I can't agree with "I'd consider Lewis' biggest win to be a faded Holyfield."

Lewis destroyed Razor Ruddock, Andrew Golota, Tommy Morrison & Shannon Briggs, 4 fighters right there that Holy would've had problems with IMO.

Sure, maybe Holy wins them all but not in a dominating fashion the way Lewis did. Sorry, Lewis was much more decisive.

 

Agreed.

Anybody that Morrison & Schultz can outbox & outpoint so easily has very little chance to beat Wladimir.

 

First, he has to land that punch perfectly like he did vs. Moorer to even have a chance.

Second, Wlad's chin is far superior to Moorer's so it might take a bit more follow up & Ol' George didn't have it in him in his 2nd career.

 

Your posts are making goo sense

 

Wladimir isn't exactly lightening, either. You're underrating Moorer here - he was faster on his feet than Klitschko could ever hope to be. He used to be a light-heavyweight and was one of the best there, too.

Klitschko CANNOT stop Foreman, but the same can't be said about Foreman stopping Klitschko.

Foreman would be the underdog - and rightfully so, but to say that "Klitschko jabs him over and over again and wins an easy UD" is forgetting that Big George had a hell of a jab himself.

Nobody with a china chin is ever a clear favorite vs. ANY ATG, and we're talking about GEORGE FOREMAN here, who turns iron chins into dinner plates.