Would Wladimir having it too easy, hurt him H2H against ATGs.

The fighters he faces are useless,plain and simple.
They're flat flooted,All old(31+?),No counter punch ability,They take punches and never move,No ring smarts,Worst stamnia for the HW division I have EVER seen and the worst of all they're going in there ready to Lose/Discouraged;How can you say these are unordinary fighters when the whole divison is like this when it never has been.

The last great fighter a Klit fought(I know this is about Wlad) was a busted Lennox Lewis and look what happened.


But if you had to judge his career he's a top5 Louis,Marciano,Ali,Fore,Wlad

 

So which proper heavyweights did Marciano fight?

 

What do you mean proper??

Archie Moore said he had never been hurt so much
Made Jersey Joe Walcott quit in the second fight
Blasted Ezzard Charles

 

Well here's a few for you to dissect that probably make up his ten best wins.

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The thing with Wlad is he fights **** scared,so against guys like Tyson,Foreman and Louis that would probably be fatal,despite his physical advantages.
I'd take Ali,Holmes,Foreman,Liston,Tyson all to beat him and probably Holyfield and Bowe too.

 

:blood

Which guys were these

 

Also people need to stop with this 'if there was no k2' business

Pick out 5 of the fighters Wlad has beaten and give me a breakdown of their skillsets and tell me who is above average

I would say myself all 3 former cruiserweights that Wlad has beaten, Byrd, Haye & Chambers, are his best opponents (all above average) but probably all too small

 

Thing that hurts him H2H is that he never faced anyone even close to being ATG, and he never faced second best(or best) heavyweght of his time Vitali. I know they should not fight and i respect that, but what made champions great is fighting the best opponents out there, imagine if Foreman was Alis brother it would hurt Ali legacy and record, and dont tell me Wlad destroys prime Vitali I'm personally convinced after Wach fight that it would be at least 50 50 fight between prime Wlad and Vitali, Wlad is technically better but i would pick prime Vitali to beat him.

 

Yet considerably bigger than most HW ATG's.

 

Archie Moore is an ATG lightheavy but certainly not a top hw.
He's good, but that's really it.
Also Moore started his career as a middleweight

Ezzard Charles is the greatest... light heavyweight ever, again a guy who started as a middleweight.

Jersey Joe Walcott never fought above 200 lbs and started as a middleweight.

They were good, yes.
They were very skilled, yes.

But former middleweights are very rare in the hw division because lighter fighters need much more skills to achieve the same greatness.
The only reason why a non hw would move up to hw is for the money or sometimes if they're legacy horny.

 

Haye his size is pretty much the equal of Ali.

 

:deal

 

Now Wlad's opponents are too small? lol His opponents are heavier and bigger then Foreman's, Ali's and Lewis'.

 

His opponents sure are more diverse than those of Lewis, but it's just an average 6 lbs difference on 227-233 lbs fighters which is like 3%...
They are ofcourse a lot bigger than Ali and foreman era fighters.

 

Haye doesn't use his height, Ali did.