Would Wladimir having it too easy, hurt him H2H against ATGs.

Wlad wouldn't last kissing time in the 70s 80s and 90s. He would of been mowed down like the summer's grass. He has so many title defences because his opponents are so weak they make it easy for him.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl Wait... you are joking right?

 

Dyna what about the Height advantage the Klitschko's enjoy over most if not all of their opponents?:think

Yup.

 

Notice how none of the critics can ever use some serious facts and good information to back up their statements? They just use broad, ridiculous unbacked claims like... "This era sucks"... or "Wlad couldn't make it in the 70's, 80's, or 90's".... or they tell other people to compare the fighters of today vs the one's from before. What kind of statement is that?

Either these people live in complete fog, or they just aren't willing to deal with reality. People are actually silly enough to believe that back when the heavyweight division was filled with hyped, media backed fighters from the USA, that they were all great and so much better. Yet, today boxing has gone much more global. We have seen, especially in the heavyweight division... that boxers from other countries are ruling the division. This leads to almost zero media backing of the heavyweight division.... which leads to people thinking that the division is weak, just because they aren't familiar with the fighters. Some people don't know the difference between media backed star power and talent.

That's how the media gets some people actually believing that a guy like Seth Mitchell has a chance to take over the division. Surprise, surprise... he's an american heavyweight with HBO backing. Then, he gets blown apart by Banks.

The era's from before weren't greater than today. They simply had a greater number of American fighters at the top of the division. Look at the Heavyweight ATG top 10, ffs.... it says all that you need to know.

I'm American and I can see this plain as day.

 

Yeah lmao use Seth Mitchell as the barometer, that guy is absolute dog****

I'll say what I said on the first page

Describe to me some kind of skillset or ability that

Peter
Thompson
Wach
Chagaev
Rahman @ 40
Ray Austin
Davarryle WIlliamson
Jean-Marc Mormeck

Have

Seriously please go ahead, because I have never seen anything in any of them that marks them out as above average

And don't just fob it off with some rubbish about fighters from the better part of 100 years ago, because that doesn't really have anything to do with Wlad

Wlad is a very good fighter, but let's not pretend his opposition is secretly brilliant

His 3 best wins are Haye, Chambers & Byrd, in whatever order you wish to look at them

 

This guy just did EXACTLY what I said Wlad's critics do.:rofl

What the hell do you mean, "describe to you some kind of skillset".

Why would I need to describe a skill set to you? Why don't you describe to me the amazing skill sets of all of the fighters from the 70's or 80's? It's a silly argument and silly request. Fighters are who they are... they all have different skill sets that make them who they are. Chris Byrd has often been referred to as a better version of Jimmy Young. Who beat George Foreman. It isn't as if Foreman had some amazing skillset either. Unless you consider walking down your opponents with your gloves opened trying to block while throwing punches from your hips is an amazing skillset.

Here is a couple of the amazing skillsets of the past....

Young Vs Foreman
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You are telling me that no fighters today have that sort of great skillset, huh? That is laughable. Joe Fraizer was also a one armed bandit. These guys are blown so far above what they really were. It's amazing to me.

 

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Oh, how I miss those golden days when heroes like Chuck Wepner, LeDoux, Evangelista, Smith, etc, were fighting for the title. Those 14-1 embryos that Holmes fought were greats, too. Scott Frank champ 2012, baby!

Even a heralded guy like Shavers in reality was fairly mediocre. Lost to 24-21 journeyman Stallings and basically lost to everyone in the top10 he ever fought.

 

I miss those times too.

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Well you are defending his opposition, so instead of picking one off fights that proven atg's have lost or making vague references to fighters from the past and trying to pick them apart

Give an analysis of one of the opponents I named that wlad has beaten and why based on their abilities you rate it as a good win or rate his resume highly

Because I don't think you can and still try to defend wins over them being anything over than routine

 

A relentless powerful pressure figher.

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Awkward right handed big man fighting out of the south paw stance with respectable power.

Slow sluggish giant with an iron chin who carries geniune one punch KO power.

You don't regularly dominate an ATG like Savon without having something about you.
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Wlad never fought a 40 year old Rahmnan.

An overhyped American Don King fighter who got an undeserving mandatory shot.

Fairly average big man that comes to fight looking to KO you in a shootout before you ko him. Seth Mitchell could be his heir.

Pressure fighter with decent power in each hand and former unified CW king. Almost knocked out a prime David Haye who apparently is at least the second greatest CW of all time.

Considering most of those were Wlad's weaker opponents during his title run his cv isn't starting to look bad, not bad at all in fact.

 

Ok, 36 year old Rahman

and Mormeck at HW at 40, not CW where he remained pretty good till he moved up

Haye, Chambers & Byrd I got no problem with

They're all skilled fighters

Are any of those people minus the aforementioned 3 honestly above average?

 

Smaller fighters are faster with better skill. HW punch harder and due to size can absorb much more punishment.
Yes they moved up for the mony and legacy too. They were also small and look at their work rate,movement,ring knowledge.It's unmatched by miles in todays standards.

 

I can say the same thing about you. You are criticizing his wins and the fighters of today. So, I say that you are the one who needs to give analysis of the fighters and why you DON'T rate them as a good win. I also want you to back this by proving with great analysis of fighters from the past who have supposed such greater skills. It would make sense to use the contenders of that time, so you are comparing them to the contenders of this time.

I have made COUNTLESS posts with my analysis of Wlad's title defenses. Do you really think that I would bother going that in depth just because a Wlad hater told me to?

I have some advice. If you are so unimpressed with today's heavyweight division. Stop watching it and stop talking about it.:good

I don't waste my time saying anything more than I already choose to say. There is no point in me wasting my time trying to give some deep in depth analysis, when I know exactly what kind of reaction you and all other haters give. You are blind to reality.

I would LOVE.... LOVE to see you in the ring with even the lowest end of the top 30 heavyweights in the world. Just so you can get an idea of just how skilled the guys at that level are. Then to imagine that they can't even hold a candle to the guys in the top 10... who can't hold a candle to Wlad. He's just that damn impressive. The entire world is NEVER lacking in talent. That thought is just absolutely ******ed. Do you know how big the world is, ffs? You just don't think there are any skilled good boxers over 200 lbs in the whole damn world, huh? You guys are waterheads.

 

His resume is bad,Half of those fighters you mention gas after round 4 and answer to his jab are to raise their hands?,Superior fitness and a long reach(jab&straight) and that's all Wlad has.

David Haye above average?? He complained about his pinky toe afterand was running all night long but before the fight he was the mouthy person and half the time not even funny. I don't remember such a poor excuse,fight,man in a HW match.