Would Wladimir having it too easy, hurt him H2H against ATGs.

Now you're saying he can't have an opinion? Get stuffed. Greatest minds in fighting weren't world champion fighters.

 

Peter and Chagaev were fine wins I don't see how anyone can consider those two as average. I find that bizarre quite frankly. What's the reasoning for that?

Thompson's no great shake but he's awkward and tends to give you a tough fight. He's no World beater but I don't think he's average. It's a pity the only real top ten he's faced was Wlad twice. Curious to see how he would have dealt with someone else. Manny Steward didn't want to face him both times and held him in high regard. Don't think we'll see him in anymore tough fights anymore due to already getting his two huge mandatory pay days which is a pity. Wouldn't be surprised if he retired now.

Need to see Wach's next couple of fights before I can really judge him. I didn't expect much from him going into the Wlad fight but he proved me wrong and won me over and I was even willing him to pull off the upset in the end. Sure he's incredibly limited with practically zero speed and footwork but he's going to be dangerous with that iron chin of his and aggressive style to along with one punch power. Lot depends whether he still has the heart for it after his payday.

 

Average? What the hell is average to you? Guys competing at the World Class level in boxing are average boxers? Do you know the meaning of the word "average"? Some of you guys need to step outside once and a while. Do you realize how damn good you have to be to reach that level in boxing? Do you realize how hard it is to be at the high end of ANY sport in the world?

 

You are an incredibly stupid person, and I say that without meaning to be insulting. It's not an insult, it's just the truth. That argument is so pathetic, it's not even worth replying to. It's one of the worst points I have ever seen made on ESB in the years I've been on here.

I don't mean any of that as an insult, I'm just being honest.

Also, you're a ****ing stupid **** who knows nothing about boxing. Now that I mean as an insult.

 

Amazing input. You always have a wealth of boxing knowledge to share with us. How thankful I am to have a brilliant boxing brain like your's to gain an understanding from.

Thank you.

 

Both of them are average fighters.

Peter is incredibly slow and out of shape. He has horrible footwork and can't throw a proper punch. The only power he has is when he wildly swings, but when he uses proper form, he has no power at all. He's inaccurate and lacks stamina. His best strengths are his chin and raw strength. He's a very limited fighter.

Chagaev was alright during his prime but don't forget he wasn't physically fit to fight before he lost to Wlad. He had hepatitis and couldn't get a licence to fight. Since then, he's gone massively downhill and even though he's only 34, he's not the fighter he was a few years ago. Even before he lost to Wlad, he was never anything special. He's a few levels below a fighter like Jerry Quarry, I'd say. Decent fighter at his best, nothing more. By the time he fought Wlad, he wasn't as good as he was in his prime.

 

Firstly I'm gonna just tell you to shut up with that whole youd love to see me in the ring with a hw blah blah...I box.

I am obviously not a professional and thus would be carried out on a stretcher but that has no relevance on my analysis of the game

I'm not a Wlad hater, find me something I've ever said about him that's unfair, or biased

Secondly when judging fighters I go by

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Skillset

Technical attributes - punch variety, punch selection, punching technique, balance, footwork, foodspeed, style, offensive/defensive ability

Mental attributes - Ring IQ, toughness, adaptability

Physical attributes - Power, Speed, Stamina, chin

I might have missed something, but that's pretty much the basis

You then have

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resume - Who they have faced, who they beat, and how they beat them (in their prime)

That's it

None of Wlads opponents rate too highly in any of those categories, do they?

Someone who is extreme in one/two categories, but poor in others, can still be a tough adversary (See: Peter - who is flat-footed, pretty slow of foot and hand, but had power, a chin and was relentless)

it's also possible to not be great in the category of skillsets, but have a good resume, or vice versa.

Resume (At heavyweight)
Who has Wlad beaten at hw that has had a decent run, or win over other good* fighters? Without this it is hard to gauge him


Skillset (at heavyweight)
Who has Wlad beaten at heavyweight who prior to their fight (or in their fight) with Wlad, demonstrated an impressive skillset, be in punch variety, punch selection, ring IQ, counterpunching, defensive ability etc etc etc

I have seen all of Wlads fights and I find it very hard to place anybody into either category, and his best win with a combination of both, is Chris Byrd, followed by Chambers, followed by Haye

Sorry dude but it's simple enough, Wlad is a very likeable guy and is a very capable boxer, but it's almost foolish to argue his resume is lacking (through no fault of his own) but that's life

Mayweather is my favourite fighter, but I'm not going to pretend a shutout over Carlos Baldomir is impressive because the man was 'relentless and brought pressure' :-(

 

I'm not saying you're wrong about boxing, even though you are, I'm just saying that was an incredibly stupid point to make. Which it was.

 

I reckon his top 10 wins are quite impressive actually. Roughly this is how I'd have them.

1. Byrd 1
2. Peter 1
3. Byrd 2
4. Ibragimov
5. Haye
6. Chagaev
7. Peter 2
8. Chambers
9. Brewster 2
10. Mercer

Considering he's still active and in his prime i'd say that's excellent. He's 36 now and considering Vitali since his comeback at the age of 36 added to his legacy Peter, Juan Carlos Gomez, Solis, Adamek which could all possibly be within his top 5 wins that just shows what possible greatness Wlad might yet add. I'm not one to normally compare the brothers like that but I'll allow it here due to both working with a similar biological clock.

 

Mate, you should fight a top 30 heavyweight and then imagine how good Wlad must be! Then you can educate us all about the brilliance of Wlad, after a top 30 heavyweight has beaten you up! You will be converted!

:-(

His post made me feel slightly dizzy.

 

The problem is, none of those fighters are that good. Byrd is the top of your list and yet he deserved to lose to Oquendo and a past prime Golota when he was in his prime. That says something about his ability, or lack of. ****ing Oquendo deserved to beat a prime Byrd over 12 rounds.

Byrd is the best fighter Wlad has fought and yet he was never anything special.

 

The greatest minds in boxing also have a healthy respect for the fighters as well. To pretend like they are all trash, and that the entire world just doesn't have any good fighters over 200 lbs. Constantly bash the fighters of today, Champions and challengers alike... those aren't true boxing fans. I think that boxing is better off without people like that bringing it down.

In reality, they are haters. They hate the Champ, so they bash the division/era that the Champ that they hate is reigning over. All a pathetic attempt to discredit everything that the Champ has done. It isn't anything knew... losers have been doing this in every era... and they are always boxing's worst so called "fans". In reality, they are just fans of certain fighters and certainly not fans of the boxing.

 

Funny how that same Chris Byrd boxed David Tua's ears off. Yet, David Tua is a great win for Lennox Lewis.:rofl

 

It was quite nauseating :-(

 

You really just went that far to tell me what skillset and resumes are... yet you still said absolutely nothing.

You certainly don't act like someone who boxes. I don't many boxers who don't understand how good guys at the top level are. I certainly don't know any who refer to them as average, or below average. I don't buy it.