Would you consider this premeditated murder?

But under these facts, there were other things he could have done using less than deadly force to prevent the commission. Setting up a trap to kill someone 'in self defense' is murder.

 

it is murder and it is premeditated, he went there with a plan and to kill somebody of course it's murder.. but i wouldnt convict him.. i'll turn him lose in the same neighborhood he murder the guy and see what happens

:hat

 

the second option should be it's not murder.. because clearly murder or not he did do something wrong

:hat

 

well like i said, i think it would be murder cuz i don't think any us state allows the use of deadly force to defend personal property such as a car. states allow it's use when someone breaks in your home because of the theory that your life is likely in danger. that theory doesn't hold up for property like a car. I was only saying that if a state is dumb enough to allow deadly force to defend personal property, then i guess there would be no murder because someone stealing your property is never life threatening (just like this scenario).

so in sum:
1- clearly murder
2-clearly morally wrong
3- the ts is wrong imo that states allow the use of deadly force to defend a car

 

The thing is, even if the reality is that he did set a trap, without any witnesses what court is going to be able to PROVE that?

He can just say "I came back from the store and this dude was ****ing with my car so I shot him, as is legal in this state (assuming the OP is correct and there are such state laws)".

Who's going to cook up a theory as convoluted as him lying in wait for an opportunity to kill a thief? Even though it's the truth, nobody will know it but him.

Tossed right out.