Would you define Sugar Ray Robinson as at 'technician'?

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  1. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    SRR was one of the most technically skilled fighters EVER, yet he relied on reflexes for defense. and when he lost a step he fought much harder fights down in the trenches than avoiding punishment which he did against top guys like Lamotta earlier in his career. Is SRR seen as a 'technician' or does he have another label that would suit fighters with his kind of style better?
     
  2. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I don't know what a "technician" is, so I don't know.

    The label "puncher" fits SRR. His greatest gift by far was his punching (power, speed, accuracy, single shots, combinations).
    IMO.
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    He was the puncher par excellance..even more so than Joe Louis.
     
  4. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe 4 a tall man he could b regarded as a technician . Haven't seen much of him yet , only d Basilio #1 and maybe #2 and i think they weren't complete or at least 1 of them . But usually when a man wants 2 learn how 2 fight , he'd better learn it from some1 similar 2 himself with his attributes and take in2 consideration what his limitations and preferences r , like not wanting 2 get hit 2 much , liking it less 2d body / less 2d head / good stamina / **** stamina / good power / poor power , etc . Then find d best example that fits all of his demands both stylistically and physically .
    4 most ppl WSJ is not d 1 2 learn from , just like a 5'6" man would b a fool trying 2 fight like him , but it would b less foolish 4 a man 6'6" 2 fight like a 5'6" man .
    Best example of a big man who fought relatively like a little man was George Foreman . But even he relied on his size but in a different manner than d Klitschkos do . I think it's possible that George Foreman fought in a nearly perfect way 4 him but it wouldn't fit Wladimir Klitschko because he is not as powerful , lacks Foreman's fluidity in power punching , not as durable and not as busy and needs more time 2 think / thinks 2 much .
    WSJ's style would've worked 4 very few , possibly himself alone and it's not because his technique can't b understood / immitated , it's because other ppl's physicality especially wouldn't let them 2 get away with it .
    So i don't think he was more of a technician than George Foreman was .
    Foreman couldn't immitate WSJ but/and WSJ couldn't immitate George Foreman .

    edit : but i guess he was a better technician than George Foreman after reminding in d difference between them in terms of quantity of opponents & d lengths of their careers . Maybe it had different / additional reasons but currently i can accept WSJ being considered d better technician of d 2 , he also didn't have Foreman's weight advantage over opponents .
     
  5. biglemon

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    I normally describe someone as a technician when thats there main asset as a fighter like Mikey Mcallum or the likes, Ray had it all so when a fighter is a complete package in this way I dont describe them as a technician, I'd call Ray a boxer puncher personally.
     
  6. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    D truest boxer puncher was Julian Jackson . 2 a lesser extent but still Gerald McClellan & Earnie Shavers . WSJ was just a very big man 4 his weight and 1 who had other physical advnatages in addition such as good stamina , good punch resistance , good handspeed .
     
  7. hookfromhell

    hookfromhell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    SRR had a phenomenal chin, and was a technically flawless
    fighter. Speed, skills, ko power, and experience. Whats his record
    like 175 wins and 19the losses, mst of which were in his last
    75fights. I ve read a comment a while back saying that SRR
    could punch excellently while back peddalling, while SRL
    could not execute as effectively. Anyway SRR was a master
    technician and could brawl with the best as well. Hell of
    a nice guy too by all acounts. SRR and Joe louis, still
    Waters run deep.
     
  8. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Depends of what you mean by technician....

    I don´t think his defense was based on reflexes, to me his footwork was his best defensive attribute....
     
  9. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes footwork was a big part of his game., but he did do things that would get other fighter knocked out. bending straight down at the waist to avoid punches is technically wrong, but SRR got away with it. When Marvis Frazier did that against Tyson, he got hit with an uppercut that knocked him out cold. This is what happen to most fighters. Ray could do it because who would catch him? and if they did he could take it...
     
  10. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nobody's mentioned -- beyond all the attributes that've been touched on -- SRR, under a mega-watt grill 'n the grace of a dancer, was a STONE KILLER.
     
  11. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Rays defense was based mostly on as Vic-Jofre said footwork and height. Technician? Depends on what you mean. Offensively his technique was perfect but defensively not really.
     
  12. bman100

    bman100 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    love that description JG. the fire he shows on films scary.

    a good sign of Technicians for me are guys who last longer than other fighters. Duran, Bhop, Moore all lasted way beyond what an athlete should at a high level because of TECHNIQUE. Sugar was still a good fighter in older age but Moore knocked durelle out in his old age, Duran was outboxing Camacho. Sugar Ray was fighting in in bullrings in Tijuana against nobodies. but he was still a master of technique which is why it must be asked that because of that, does he count as a technician?
     
  13. Hands of Iron

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    These.

    I honestly don't see how Robinson has come to be known primarily as this grand, elegant boxer. Sure, He circled the ring with fluidity and balance and possessed a quick, accurate jab, but used it to set up and unload an array of power shots, effectively choosing his spots and ripping off multiple shots to the body and head at the drop of a dime. He was susceptible to counters, but had so much speed and power, could punch and hurt you wading in-and-out, going forward or backwards, with a cast iron chin of his own. This is based primarily on Middleweight material, when Robinson was over 30 years old and no longer at his peak or even his most dominant weight class. Crazy.
     
  14. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the welterweight footage we have shows this perfectly
     
  15. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    Just an unbelievable fighter, who was probably several decades ahead of his time strictly from an athletic standpoint. In terms of pure skills, boxing has declined. Nobody is 'out-moderning' Ray Robinson. You can take him as he was - without any nutritional/training/quasi-evolution advances - and he ripples through your era. Ruthlessly. :hi:

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