Would you give Vic a better chance against Mijares if he'd have taken out Donaire...

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  1. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Dont think Vic has recovered from it, Vic never really clearly lost a round before the Donaire fight nor even staggered but afterwards, got dropped in his comeback fight and the z gorres fight, he looked impressive against kirilov but that looked more like Kiri fighting the absolute worse gameplan.

    I expect Vic to hit Mijares more than he was able to hit Doniare, but Mijares has a solid chin and cant see vic outboxing him.

    For vic fans this is a hope for fluke win fight, a win on cuts, DQ or a robbery
     
  2. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thats just false.

    He clearly lost rounds against Sikali when he was gassed from a hectic start.

    Some say he looked close to getting stopped against Pacheco after get hurt to the body and get pot shotted for period of time. He at the very least lost some rounds there.

    He dropped rounds against Burgos and was staggered in that fight, which compounded and lengthend the beating he gave back.

    Pretty sure he dropped a round against Medina and in Nookliang I because at the time guys like Angelo Hyder were saying they werent sure if Vic would make it in the pros.

    I dont think he looks any better or worse but probably at this weight he isnt the physical monster he was compared to the other bloke.
     
  3. Marcus

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    great thread,

    its goin to be tough for vic, id like to think vic would have lernt a lesson, but goin by his lip, he hasnt lernt a thing.

    if vic can box a little more, and throw more punches than usual, he could stay in the fight on points.

    what id like to see is then, he step up his power shots to the head and land a few each round.

    to me, i mean i realy like majares, great fighter, but he is very very flat footer, and turn his head to graze off shots, i think this is what could bring him down vs vic.
     
  4. maco_187

    maco_187 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    personally having not seen mijares fight much at all i cant comment on a winner, what i do know is vic hits mighty ****n hard for a small guy, and when small guys get hit with big punchers it slows them down significally and mentally changes there game plan, thats where vic is so successful he doesnt want people to engage in combat with him because hes open and wide, hed prefer people backpeddling and being scared of his power..... i mean if i was 115 pounds he isnt the person i want to meet thats for sure....
    i think vic is underrated, hes ferocious in there, every punch is just about a knockout punch, hes always walking you down making you tired, hes always entertaining.... hes a true fighter in every sense of the word....
    goodluck vic hope you ko him....
    but much like everyone else from hearing reports i think its going to be a tough night in the office for him, but i give him all the support in the world....
     
  5. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of the 31 boxing media members who participated in a SHOWTIME Prediction Poll, 25 picked Mijares and six liked Darchinyan.



    Here’s how they see the Mijares-Darchinyan world title unification fight:



    Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News/Long Beach Press Telegram (Mijares): “Mijares is a more technically sound fighter. He is going to frustrate the wild-swinging Darchinyan. Mijares will wind up hurting him late with counter shots. Not sure he will stop Darchinyan, but he might.”



    Kevin Iole, Yahoosports.com (Mijares): “Mijares is a brilliant boxer. Darchinyan throws wide punches and Mijares will have no problem seeing them and getting out of the way of them. It should be a boxing clinic by one of the game's best-kept secrets. Mijares wins by decision in 12 rounds.”



    J. Michael Falgoust, USA Today (Mijares): “Mijares is a terrific boxer, but Darchinyan's boxing skills leave much to be desired. Darchinyan has a puncher's chance, of course, because Mijares sometimes nullifies his height. He is often found bending over at the waist which obviously gives up his height advantage, and other times he stands too tall and in range of an opponent. That said, Darchinyan is not without a chance, but Mijares wins a decision.”



    Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com, (Mijares): “Not only do I think that Mijares is a master boxer, he's also the natural 115-pounder. Mijares will outpoint the puncher (Darchinyan).”



    Tim Smith, New York Daily News (Mijares): “Darchinyan is a good fighter but the thing I don't like about him is the thing that makes him good: his fool-hardy aggressiveness. Mijares will take advantage and win by seventh-round TKO.”



    Dan Rafael, ESPN.com (Mijares): “This could be a lot like Mijares' fight against another hard-puncher, Jorge Arce. Darchinyan is an exciting, aggressive guy but Mijares is more skillful, faster and knows how to avoid punches. Simply, he is a much better overall fighter. Mijares wins a lopsided decision in what probably will still be an exciting fight to watch.”



    Steve Farhood, SHOWTIME (Mijares): “Mijares wins all 12 rounds. It's about time American fans came to realize just how good this guy is.”



    Chris Cozzone, Fightnews.com (Mijares): “Darchinyan has already shown flaws against a superior boxer. I believe Mijares has the chin to check anything Darchinyan throws at him. Mijares by decision.”



    Michael David Smith, AOL (Mijares): “Darchinyan has good punching power for a man his size. I wouldn't be surprised if he sends Mijares to the canvas. But Mijares is the best boxer under 120 pounds in the world and he will wear Darchinyan down over 12 rounds and win a decision.”



    Paul Upham, SecondsOut.com (Darchinyan): “Mijares should be the favorite going in, but Darchinyan’s aggressive nature and punching power have been irresistible on all occasions which is one of the reasons why SHOWTIME has taken such a liking to the Raging Bull from Armenia. Mijares’ skills and toughness should give Darchinyan some problems, but if Vic detonates one of his power shots, the Mexican will need to be strong to resist the KO. Darchinyan wins a close points decision.”



    Ramon Aranda, 411mania.com (Mijares): “This one could go either way especially with Darchinyan's awkward style and punishing bombs. Vic could very well stun Mijares early in the fight but with Mijares' increasingly proficient boxing skills, he'll weather Darchinyan's storm and outbox him for the remainder of the bout. Mijares will win by a comfortable margin.”



    Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com (Darchinyan): “If Cristian Mijares thinks he'll handle Vic Darchinyan the same way he did Jorge Arce, he has a whole other thing coming. Darchinyan throws punches from angles and positions that no Mijares sparring partner can possibly replicate. I say the Armenian pit bull sinks his teeth into Mijares by the middle rounds and takes him down in the ninth.”



    Jake Donovan, ***********.com (Mijares): “Not to take anything away from Darchinyan, who still remains one of the best fighters in the lower weight classes, but Mijares is in another league and enjoying a Fighter of the Year campaign. He should prove to be far too resourceful for Vic. This will be a more competitive version of Mijares-Arce, but still a clear-cut win for Mijares. Mijares by unanimous decision.”



    Michael Swann, 15 Rounds.com (Mijares): “Cristian Mijares is a talented stylist who is in his prime at 27. Vic Darchinyan is all offense and can end it with one punch but, at age 32, will he be able to avoid the shots before he delivers? Mijares scores a unanimous decision.”



    Phil Woolever, TheSweetScience.com (Darchinyan): While it's no stretch of the imagination to foresee Mijares pitching a southpaw shutout, I think that being derailed and defeated strengthened Darchinyan's resolve to the point he'll be able to work his way in effectively enough to win.”



    Scott Swerbinsky, TheClevelandFan.com (Mijares): “This is potentially the fight of the year. Speed and counter punching will be the difference. Mijares by a close, hard-fought decision.”



    Daxx Kahn, Saddoboxing.com ((Mijares): “In his bout with Nonito Donaire, Darchinyan was exposed on his ability to deal with a clever boxer that has solid whiskers. While Mijares is not a big puncher, he has a solid chin and counters well. Look for Mijares to fight smart and land counter punches, using Darchinyan's jerky style to his advantage. Mijares wins a unanimous decision.”



    Rob Scott, Doghouseboxing.com (Darchinyan): Mijares has the boxing ability much like (Nonito) Donaire, but he also has to have his mental stability as well. He will be hit harder than he probably ever has. Once hit, Mijares must not fold, but stay with the game plan of chipping away at Darchinyan's armor. It's Mijares' fight to win or lose because a good boxer can beat a good puncher. Mijares will step up his game, but it's Darchinyan's great punching power that will prevail. Darchinyan wins by decision – or possible late stoppage.”



    Neil Fletcher, British-Weekly.com (Mijares): “Mijares is a good boxer with excellent movement. Darchinyan is a power punching southpaw who must chase his opponent down and land his left to be effective. Too close to call with any certainty, but the call is Mijares by decision.”



    Lyle Fitzsimmons, Sportsnetwork.com (Mijares): “Darchinyan is clearly the puncher and is more likely to record a highlight-reel victory, but absent of that, I can see Mijares simply confusing and out-skilling him. If he avoids the fireworks early, look for him to spread the margin in the homestretch. Mijares records a decision.”



    Jason Jackson, Boxingconfidential.com (Mijares): “Mijares will use his superior defensive skills to neutralize Darchinyan’s powerful left hand and take a unanimous decision.



    Elisa Harrison, Braggingrightscorner.com (Mijares): It's hard to pick a winner because both men are talented and each has a specific forté. So, do you pick the boxer or the puncher? SHOWTIME is showing what the fights fans want to see and this one should not disappoint. Mijares wins a hard-fought decision.’’



    Ernest Gabion, ***********.com (Mijares): “Vic has something to prove, but instead of it being an asset it will be a hindrance as he will try and press a supreme boxer. Mijares will take Vic’s aggression and nullify most of it with countering. Mijares wins by unanimous decision.”



    Hesiquio Balderas, El Tuxtepecano (Mijares): “Mijares is going to win because he is a smart boxer who creates angles and openings and can put his combinations together. He is a very smart, technical fighter and also his timing is perfect as he showed against hard punchers such as Alex Muñoz and Jorge Arce. Mijares registers a 12-round decision.”



    Dan Hernandez, RingSideReport.com (Darchinyan): “With the heavyweights in such a dismal state, it’s good to see the lower divisions doing their best to be the standard bearers for boxing. Darchinyan’s power, determination and skill level will prevail. A knockout victory would not be a surprise.”



    Phil Santos, Overhandright.com (Mijares): “Vic has the punching power but he does not possess the technical skills to outbox Mijares or penetrate his stellar defense. The match will unfold much like Mijares-Arce with Cristian controlling the action and decisively outclassing the ever-aggressive Darchinyan. Mijares unifies the belts by unanimous decision or late stoppage.”



    Rusty Rubin, Ringsports.com (Darchinyan): “Darchinyan has been through the wars and will have to work hard to win this tough battle with Mijares. It’s tough action fight and probably will have some blood flowing. I’ll take Darchinyan by a late stoppage.”



    Ace Freeman, FightFan.com (Mijares): This is a classic boxer vs. puncher matchup between two exciting fighters. Mijares is somewhat of a hidden gem when it comes to pound-for-pound discussions, but he will soundly outbox Vic and catch him with some big counter punches en route to a late stoppage.”



    Carlos Rivera, Cox3 News (Mijares): “Styles and personalities aside, Mijares will retain his WBC/WBA belts (and capture the IBF) in a decision.”



    Diane Bennett, DiamondBoxing.com (Mijares): “It should be an exciting 12 rounds with Mijares bringing his tool box of skills, which include speed, defense and counter punching abilities to the ring to offset the Darchinyan power. Mijares will box his way to a decision victory and keep his six-year unbeaten streak in tack.”



    Henry Bedoy, Boxingstars.net (Mijares): Mijares is simply too fast and crafty for the vulnerable Vic Darchinyan. Mijares by late TKO
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yeah, right, because Darchinyan is shot, like Arce, and can only brawl ineffectively at the same speed througout. What a stupid comparison.

    Why do these commentators feel the need to exaggerate to make a simple point? Why couldn't Mijares be excellent by winning as few as 8-9 rounds out of 12 against Darchinyan, if it does indeed go 12? Some way to hype the fight, by saying one of the guys is ****, huh?

    If these were comments made by ESB posters, they'd have to be complete newbs not be get a hell of a lot of stick and abuse.
     
  7. Uppercut83

    Uppercut83 The Quitschkos are bums Full Member

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    Your boy Vic is gonna get bust up, Mijares will win every round in this fight might even stop Vic the *****.
     
  8. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nope Vic will be Vic mate. ANd he is gonna blaze it up this sunday. He will be Looking fo a KO that's without a doubt. Go Vic. No major change maybe he'll take his time, double jab on the way in and work the body mor. But still go For a KO.

    :bbb
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Good luck to him. I don't think he can take Mijares out with one punch and he certainly cannot outbox him. Luckily for him, Mijares likes to trade a lot and he's not great at it either. If Vic can get him into one of those moods where he feels the need to trade for a good few minutes during the fight, he has a chance. A chance but not a great chance because Mijares has been in with big punchers and is smart enough to know how to stay out of trouble.

    This is a fight I very much look forward to; I hope Vic gives his all and fights an intelligent fight. I can see Mijares going down, but I would be surprised to see him stopped. If anyone's likely to get stopped, it's Vic. My pick, though = Mijares 8-4 :good
     
  10. stiflers mum

    stiflers mum Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    dont know anything about Mijares TBH but im surprised amsterdam hasnt commented on this fight and calz fight as they are his 2 faves.is he alright?
    we will see on sunday i guess.
     
  11. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    You are totally right Dec...Anyone who thinks this fight will be like the Arce fight is crazy...Totally different fighters at different stages of their careers.

    It may well end up as dominant a win for Mijares but for different reasons.
     
  12. Bentchassis

    Bentchassis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    well said ****wit.

    A loss can make or break you and I have a feeling in this case it was a blessing for Vic.
     
  13. BoppaZoo

    BoppaZoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chassis mate im feeling for you right now.
    Vic could have waited a til the 10th for your $23 odds.

    remember how i asked what odds Vic was well my theory is everytime i bet on a Aussie fighter to win like put $50 bucks on someone they lose.

    So when i asked i left it and Vic won still happy though.

    I didnt bet Vic wins by KO = I couldnt give 2 shits right know just stoked (Mick Fanning) that we have a Undisputed Champ.
     
  14. seymour cash

    seymour cash New Member Full Member

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    Weres pipo the paracite that pushes poo up his own pipe
     
  15. Bentchassis

    Bentchassis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's all good mate, like you, I got so into the fight I didn't even care in the end. Plus I had a massive win in the Mackinnon yesterday:hey