Would you pick any Welterweights to beat a prime Sugar Ray Robinson?

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nope

    Mickey Walker might give him more trouble than he bargained for. The welterweight Sam Langford that beat Gans would be a live underdog

    Edit: I should be beaten for not mentioning Leonard. Wouldn't pick Leonard over him either tho
     
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  3. SheenLantern

    SheenLantern New Member Full Member

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    Dundee and Leonard would figure out a way to beat him
     
  4. Flash24

    Flash24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Leonard or Hearns would be the only two who would have a real chance, possibly Duran if he's Montreal sharp. But Robinson was the real deal and the G.O A.T. In reality , he wins comfortable dec over Leonard and Duran, stops Hearns late in my opinion . Some would throw in fighters from the 1900's thru the 1920's early 30's but how many of you actually saw them fight?
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Active Member Full Member

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    This, however Hearns is also worth a mention, his power was enough to keep him honest, and Rays style was susceptible to the jab
     
  6. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Leonard Robinson is close to 50 50
     
  7. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oddly no, I would not. Which is a weird position for me to be in, as I like to refute the belief that certain ATG’s are unbeatable.

    So while I don’t think I would pick anyone (certainly not willing to bet on it lol) I think there are several that have a good chance or would be a live dog.

    Tommy Hearns, SRL, Duran, Basilio, Napoles or Walker come to mind. I wouldn’t be surprised/shocked if they beat him or split 2 fights with him...I just wouldn’t pick it.

    Which style would test him the most? I might say a Basilio or Duran type has the best chance by turning iI into an ugly trench watfsre type of fight.

    Trying to outbox him would be hard in my mind and Tommy might have the best shot at that. But SRL or Napoles might be able to pull it off?

    Oh well I hate to do it, but no one I would pick
     
  8. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronson Full Member

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    Beating prime Ray at Welter would require a great fighter AND some type of stylistic advantage, probably skilled, very aggressive fighters.

    Montreal Duran would be a very live threat to Robinson, though I think he still loses.

    Barbados Joe Walcott would have a chance due to power alone, although I think he drops a wide decision after hurting Robinson several times.

    I don't know much of Langford at the lower weights, although he beat Gans. Would he have a chance?

    Jose Napoles would be a hell of a firefight, but Ray beats him aswell. Mantequilla may be equally skilled (or even moreso) but the strength and physicality of Robinson would knock him off his game.

    Henry Armstrong would also cause serious problems like Duran, and may be most suited stylistically, but I still feel he would lose a decision. Also, Welter wasn't his best weight.

    There are more welterweight I may come back to later. This was off the top of my head.

    Side note, I wish the footage of Gavilan - Robinson was released. I always wanted to watch it!
     
  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think so.

    He was good at Welter, but his record was a bit patchy, I don't think he'd really come into his own yet at that weight.

    Senya posted a report of his fight with Walcott
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    roughdiamond Bronson Full Member

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    From the little I read it did seem as if Langford was still growing into his own.

    Thanks for the link.
     
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  11. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How many welterweight fights of Robinson have most of the forum actually seen?
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Leonard and Hearns have the best chance imo,but I wouldn't pick either to manage it.
     
  13. Tramell

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    I'd say the forum probably seen more fights of his than his own era! It's not like they had youtube back then. In fact, I'd argue (from a humorous perspective) most back then (my grandfather's era) had to listen to it. As I learned, it was difficult to claim a radio broadcaster was biased for/against...the way we do when watching HBO/Shobox give their blow by blow commentary...Point is, if the commentator said so-n-so won...their word was taken.


    Gillette started the radio broadcast, correct? then it turned into television. I've seen quite a few of those. But to my limited knowledge there are more RR MW fights filmed than at WW. Just curious, have you seen many of his WW fights?

    I started watching a lot of boxing in the 1980s as a kid, but only ESPN classics that revealed fights of old 1960s & previous. & they were edited. And only in the last 15 years...mainly due to internet that I got to actually learn & see for myself Bassilio, Norman Hayes & the many greats of 1960s and previous.

    With that being said, I wish I could state Charley Burley with confidence, but with so little footage, I can only claim he'd stand a chance since Ray said he was "too pretty" to fight him. if he did, sounds like a duck to me!
    And if Ray idolized Armstrong growing up, then he beat an over the hill fighter. That tells me Armstrong could've beaten him.

    Listening personally to Manny steward (RIP) talking about Ray's handlers...there was more than a few reasons as to why he didn't fight many of his own kind (black) and it wasn't just because white patrons didn't want to see it.
    lat, did Gavilan win the 1st one? ring side observers voice dissatisfaction in the verdict, that forced Ray to give one rematch. And no more. Yet he went on to fight Lamotta way more times than needed.

    I think he whips Ray Leonard, stops Hearns. Pernell Whitaker would've been interesting, I think he stands a good chance, along Napoles & war against JCC, to which he'd win.
    Some serious lightening exchanges would occur between him and Meldrick Taylor.
     
  14. KasimirKid

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    I like this. LaMotta gave Robinson a lot of trouble, and Walker was a better fighter than LaMotta. Walker could fight in a style similar to LaMotta, but was much more versatile. He also hit with more power, IMO.
     
  15. ETM

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    Walker is the best candidate if you had to send in a guy. He's not gonna have LaMotta's extreme weight pull but he was a rough customer. Nobody is gonna outbox Sugar as a Welterweight.
     

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