If Ali couldn't break down Frazier (who in many ways is an "inferior version" of Tyson), how on Earth is he gonna stop Tyson ?!
I can't think of anyone. With that said, anybody can be stopped. If Ali fought all the great ones 10 times each, some would stop him occasionally.
Tyson. I'd bet my house on it. Lewis, Bowe, Wlad - also stand a chance. Even guys like Morrison and Tua can take him out if they land their best punch. Like This content is protected said, if any of the big punchers decide to throw safety out the window and go all in instead of trying to box, tey can take him out, even if he lands more on them than they do on him. All they need is one big punch, then he'd be stunned or on the floor. I also think this was the best strategy to beat Mayweather, going all out.
Tyson didn't have quite the same intensity or determination of Frazier, didn't have the same style either. Tyson fought in bursts and slowed down after the early rounds. Tyson's output would dry up almost completely if he was punched blind, cut, swollen, drowned by Ali's rapid accurate punches. Ali stopped Liston inside 7, stopped Foreman in 8. Douglas stopped Tyson in 10. Holyfield stopped Tyson in 11. Neither of them were massive punchers.
I didn't mention power. Styles make fights. Ali would have a field day with Tyson after a few competitive early rounds.
Yes Ali could drown him after a competitive fight. But from his stats, he just wasn´t enough puncher for 7-8 rounds. If you watch it closer, non of his early career stats suggest he´d put him on the ground that quick the way he fought. Douglas had the power of a 230lb man. He was more heavy handed than Ali for sure. Holyfield fought pretty agressive at times and threw more hooks, uppercuts etc. I think by his style he was a "harder puncher" than Ali also. Anyway, 10.5 is 3 rounds more than 7.5 (7-8).
You either have no idea what you are talking about or you are contradicting yourself if you say "styles make fights" and then go on to pick Ali over Tyson when in fact the stylistic matchup favors Tyson. Tyson had no problem going the distance in his prime and completely dominating the opposition, winning like 80% of the rounds. Look up his fight with Ribalta, he keeps coming and pounding his man. Tyson had a better defense than Frazier and barely got hit in his prime. He would get hit less than Frazier did in FOTC. Liston took a dive and Foreman punched himself out. The stylistic matchup favored Ali, it doesn't against Tyson. Plus neither of them were as fast as Tyson. This is prime vs prime, otherwise I could mention Ali's losses to Holmes and Berbick, which of course are not relevant. They still hit harder than Ali.
Ali was better than those fighters. Some of Ali's punches definitely stunned Liston in the first fight and busted him up a bit too. Douglas wasn't stopping world class fighters any more or any quicker than Ali was. "He was more heavy handed than Ali", maybe, but Ali had more speed and snap and knocked more contenders out absolutely.
I agree to some sort here. I think the question should be if Ali was powerful enought to keep 230/240lb fighters busy while moving. I think he´d have much more problems today than in the 60s. As Tyson would have too, if we include the other thread ^^.
That would be because Frazier was a "superior version" in several ways as well. For example in terms of stamina and will. Now, it wouldn't be my bet that Ali would stop Tyson in 7-8 (but 11-13 has a fairly good ring to it), but I hate this "Frazier was the same as Tyson, just inferior" nonsense.
Are you for real? 90 and 96 Tyson comparable to Ali's ghost of Holmes and Berbick? You certainly weren't around at the time.
I'd pick the best puncher ever, so Joe Louis. I'm not sure if he would do that, but he's the best choice. Either him, or someone like Wladimir who'd fight ugly game with Ali. Lennox wasn't agressive enough and Tyson simply wasn't good enough to me. Foreman and Liston already showed that you need to be more refined and quicker to stop Ali. How about someone like Langford? Ali would probably underestimate him, so he'd have fair chance.
I was definitely around at the time, I was born during Holmes's reign. I did not say 80s Ali was the same as 90s Tyson, my point is neither was at his best. We are comparing prime vs prime here, so what Tyson did in the 90s is irrelevant. I said Frazier was inferior "in some ways", not in every aspect. And there would be no 13 round, since the fight only has 12.
