Would you rank Mayweather Jr among the best 15 H2H WWs of AT?

I agre, Duran smothers him and owns him. If you look at what Montreal duran did to SRL... Duran would be too physical and slick inside for PBF to fend off. And keep in mind that SRL had much more power than PBF to keep Duran off of him, yet still couldn`t do it. As for Whitaker. I think in his prime he was even more unhittable than PBF... Between that and being a southpaw who could really move his feet,hands and dug down to the body. i think he squeaks by PBF.

 

And I`m not sure where people rank Thomas hearns in the all time 15. But, Herans would hurt and level PBF. He`d have PBF quaking in his boots during the stare down. Then once the bell rings, and PBF immediately gives ground, Hearns stings him with his piston-like jab, and crumples him into a heap with his sizzling right cross. The shoulder roll isn`t going to catch all of Hearns shots. And trust me, Hearns would come out for this one flying...

 

H2H? I'd have Hearns behind Robinson and Leonard. Although I think Gavilan and LMR could beat Tommy, bar the Ray's I wouldn't make anyone a favourite over him.

He'd slaughter Floyd inside a few rounds. Worst. Matchup. Ever. For. Mayweather.

 

For allot of the fight he did go on the backfoot circling away from Tito and slipping without countering back and it wasn't just the last 4 rounds from what I remember. He boxed in and out for about 30seconds then got back on his bike. Disjointed boxing and lazy boxing but it befuddled Tito

Mayweather is bigger, stronger and faster than Whitaker. Whitaker is more skilled and fluid, that's a 50-50

Duran hasn't beat someone above 135 who gave him good lateral defensive movement, instead it's been his kryptonite. He was incredible in Leonard 1, but Leonard didn't give him lateral movement he tried to walk Duran down. If Duran can force exchanges he batters Mayweather but if Mayweather controls the movement and range he outboxes Duran.

Not in a million years, I was thinking today, maybe Honeyghan would have been a good foil for Hearns if he can make him miss and keep the pressure on him.

Agree somewhat, Hearns would dominate Mayweather as Mayweather likes to be the outboxer and struggles if an opponent is taller/longer/faster andwould struggle pressure a guy who's a better puncher. Mayweather could probably survive like Benitez did maybe but he could get poleaxed

 

:rofl You dismiss those two then give me Ragamuffin? Come off it PP mayne!

 

If Mosley can rock Floyd then Tommy would smash him.

He might survive if we put him in with the Hearns that fought Benitez that had to limit his right hand a bit, yeah. But would lose every round.

 

Honeyghan would pressure Hearns and drag him out of his comfort zone. Gavilan and Rodriguez would try and outbox him

Mayweather wasn't prime against Mosley, but a low left might not be best against Hearns right hand. Hearns didn't knock everyone out though did he, don't think he was always super impressive in his contender years, although that could be prior to his prime

 

What on earth makes you think Floyd in faster than Pea.. That just makes no sense to me. Not only does Pea have faster hands than May.. he has faster foot movement and upper body movement than May. Pea doesn't pretty much everything better than May and it's not a 50/50 fight.

As for duran, May doesn't move like SRL 2.. that isn't close to how he fights. He gets caught on the ropes a lot and doesn't mind being there. Problem is, he would get forced against the ropes and would hate being there against Duran. Stop actling like May has the movement of a SRL.. he doesn't.

 

I don't think Mayweather or Whitaker are among the fastest Welter's ever.

They're at that 7 out of 10 sort of range where a good many welter's would place.Technique more important than speed for them at this weight, but Whitaker still moved his hands more before he got too coked up.

 

Yes, because Gavilan and Rodriguez were stupid one dimensional fighters.

 

Floyd did have faster hands than Pea and it isn't particularly close. Pea has better upperbody movement and reactions agreed. Both have pretty quick feet prime for prime but Whitaker has the superior use of the ring.

I think you're underestimating Prime Mayweather's backfoot boxing and speed (say pre 2007). He's also an underrated in-fighter in his own right but that's if Duran's post lightweight feet can catch upto him anyway. I'd still call him evens with Duran.

 

Nope!...Not even close

 

Ragamaffin was better fighting at mid range with his fast feet and good handspeed.

But Ragamaffin's defense is not good enough to pull the upset.

His offense/defense mix was too sloppy.

Ragamaffin has a chance of hurting Hearns with his awkward attack but I don't think he's consistent and focused enough to beat him.

 

Would Starling be able to defend Hearns' at range and get in close to pressurise Tommy with his canny inside game?

I'd say no.

 

Thats a good point about the Hearns who fought Benitez. I do think the the 147 version of Hearns was a freak and just too much everything for PBF.