Would you rat Hopkins in your Top 5 P4P of all time if...

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  1. daz52

    daz52 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He rematched Jermain Taylor and beat him
    Rematched Joe Calzaghe in Wales and beat him
    Rematched Roy Jones and beat him?
     
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  2. rreed23

    rreed23 aka Gordon Gekko Full Member

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    Already top 5
     
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  3. soxfan57

    soxfan57 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Hopkins beat RJJ 15 years ago, IMO he's easily top 5 p4p...But he didn't. If he beats an RJJ who is able to beat calzaghe in impressive fashion, or if he whoops Chad Dawson the way he whooped pavlik, yes I think he should be considered amongst top 5 p4p.
     
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  4. daz52

    daz52 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can i ask what your Top 5 looks like?
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Christ no. If Jones and Calzaghe both looked really excellent it would probably get him into my top 30.
     
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  6. rreed23

    rreed23 aka Gordon Gekko Full Member

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    It's difficult because there are so many things to factor in, but in no particular order probably something like, Ray Robinson, Ray leonard, Bernard Hopkins, Roberto Duran, and Ali
     
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  7. daz52

    daz52 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So Bernard gets into your Top 30 P4p of all time only if Jones and Calzaghe look good next month?
     
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  8. soxfan57

    soxfan57 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's silly IMO.

    How many people have ruled a division for 12 years w/ out a loss?

    How many people were able to rule a division in such dominating fashion? (Wide UD's, KO's, KO Felix Trinidad)

    How many people were able to fight past 40 and beat top 5 p4p guys consistently?

    How many people were able to fight past 40 and dominate top 5 p4p guys consistently?
     
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  9. McGrain

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    :rofl
     
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No.

    If it plays out like the thread-starter describes - and Hopkins fights and beats Jones and Calzaghe - they would both have to look really good in losing (despite their age etc.) for Hopkins to break my 30, probably.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    How many guys on your top 30 all time p4p (if you have one) have dropped back to back decisions to a fighter of Jermain Taylor's calibre?

    How many fighters on you all time p4p top 30 are 0-1 against fellow top 50 pound for pound all time fighters?

    I love Hopkins, he's literally my favourite fighter campaigning at this time, but what's silly is how incredibly overboard people are going after this wonderful win. I can't put B-Hop on a top 30 pound for pound list because of the things on your list any more than I can put Calzaghe on the list for the things his fans like about him. He's competing with the greatest fighters who have ever lived for a berth on that list, not Kelly Pavlik.
     
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  12. darwoody

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    His win on saturday was great stuff, but some of you are seriously getting carried away with it.
     
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  13. Uppercut83

    Uppercut83 The Quitschkos are bums Full Member

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    I would say wake up Bernard and stop dreaming.
     
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  14. soxfan57

    soxfan57 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bernard Hopkins DOMINATED one of the top 8 p4p fighters of the past 20 in Felix Trinidad.

    Bernard Hopkins DOMINATED one of the top 8 p4p fighters of the past 20 in Oscar De La Hoya.

    Bernard Hopkins DOMINATED a division w/ out 1 loss for 12 years.

    Bernard Hopkins ONLY legit loss is to a man considered as one of the most talented boxers in history.

    Bernard Hopkins has beaten Winky Wright (top 5 p4p), Antonio Tarver (top 5 p4p), and Kelly Pavlik (top 5 p4p) WITH UNBELIEVABLE EASE...O yea, B-HOP WAS 40+ YRS OLD WEN HE DID THIS.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    :deal
     
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