Would you rat Hopkins in your Top 5 P4P of all time if...

I know. These men were welterweights, really though, although Trinidad looked good at the weight.

I know. And he unified the belts and he beat some good fighters. But you are just spouting his resume - what you need to do if you want to compare him to the greatest fighters who ever lived is compare his resume to those other ATG fighters. Then you will see that calls for him to be installed in the top 5 pound for pound all time are pretty ridiculous.

Maybe. I thought the Taylor fights were both very very close and i consider judges finding either way for each fight pretty reasonable. There wre no "robberies" here. Regardless, the record books show that Hopkins lost twice to Jermain Taylor. Taylor is no world beater.

Tarver and Pavlik are both great wins, and I credit him for Wright, although there is no way Wright should be considered top 5 pound for pound at the weight limit they were fighting at and Pavlik was not in my top 5 pound for pound at the time of his fight with Hopkins.

Regardless - so what? You're telling me loads of stuff I already know. You have to show why Hopkins deserve a spot in the p4p all time list based upon his relative achievements/skillset/resume. Unless you can show a relative case you are just telling me things I already know OCCASIONALLY IN CAPITAL LETTERS.

 

01 - Sam Langford
02 - Sugar Ray Robinson
03 - Henry Armstrong
04 - Harry Greb
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Willie Pep
07 - Roberto Duran
08 - Bob Fitzsimmons
09 - Muhammad Ali
10 - Mickey Walker
11 - Archie Moore
12 - Benny Leonard
13 - Sugar Ray Leonard
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Charley Burley
16 - Joe Louis
17 - Sandy Saddler
18 - Joe Gans
19 - Pernell Whitaker
20 - Gene Tunney
21 - Barbados Joe Walcott
22 - Roy Jones Junior
23 - Jimmy Wilde
24 - Carlos Monzon
25 - Tony Canzoneri
26 - Stanley Ketchel
27 - Emile Griffith
28 - Julio Cesar Chavez
29 - Jack Britton
30 - George Dixon

HM - Jimmy McLarnin, Evander Hollyfield, Terry McGovern, Ted Kid Lewis, Marvin Hagler and about 30 others.

Last time I did a list I had Bernard at #50. He'd be higher than that now.

 

I think his best wins are

1 - Pavlik (same size)
2 - Trinidad (smaller man)
3 - Tarver (bigger man)

This is assuming you regard Hopkins as a natural middle.

 

Resume, damaging losses, achievment, skillset.

OK, thank you.

 

Thanks man. It does change quite a lot as i'm reading and reviewing footage, learning about boxing, but i'm pretty happy with the 30. It gets a bit spongy around 50, my list, but I have been up to 100.