Would Young have been able to beat 1973-1974 Foreman?

Young may well have been a banana skin for Foreman no matter when they fought.

 

Foreman would have been favourite to win but I dont know if he would have KOd Young as early as Frazier or Norton. I can see a late TKO or a decision for Foreman

 

After the Ali loss Foreman took his foot off the gas and fought cautious so that he didn't gas later in the fight. Even if it was a more measured pace I think it hurt him by taking away his strength: all out pressure and power.

 

Yeah, well put Stevie, and I agree. Lots of times it's a matter of styles, and Young had that unique style for beating Foreman.

 

I'll take Foreman.

 

Foreman, anywhere from 5th to 7th round.

 

I'm convinced Jimmy was feigning distress when it appeared George staggered him at the outset of round seven, so Foreman could wildly expend himself over the entire three minutes. Young was the opposite of Ali when it came to psychological warfare, channeling Fitz in convincing everybody he was seriously stunned with an Academy Award winning quality acting job.

Jimmy had serious advantages in hand speed, defensive skill, stamina and slickness. Badly overlooked is what a talented body puncher he was for points scoring purposes (even Ali worked Foreman's body in Kinshasa), and George was there to be hit.

Not only do I believe Young would have won the decision over Gerry if he had not been cut by that surprising long right, Jimmy would have won a rematch by UD the following year.

Presuming Jimmy unloads enough jabs and other punches to outscore Foreman, he always defeats George by UD. Foreman simply didn't have the speed, accuracy or stamina to defeat an opponent with Young's defensive skills or hideously overlooked punch resistance to both body and head. (Gerry's hooks to the body made no impact on Jimmy. Franco Thomas tried keying Young's body, but swapping body blows with Jimmy didn't work, because then he'd dominate with scoring punches to the head.)

Frazier at his peak would have had to go the 15 round distance with Young and win on aggression, hustle and work rate to the body. (I don't think Smoke and Eddie Futch would even bother contemplating an attempt to stop Jimmy, just steadily pressure him with non-stop hooks underneath from opening to final bell.)

Lyle was taken to school twice by Young (Ron was always looking to better himself as a boxer with learning experiences like that to make up for his late start as a professional), and everybody who's seen the rematch between Jimmy and Earnie Shavers knows Young was robbed with an egregious draw. One did not pound Jimmy down and out once he'd matured.

Young would make it easy for Foreman to cut the ring off on him, then preemptively unload with rapid combinations out of the corners or off the ropes right when George would be about to pull the lanyard on his big slow guns. Foreman's ten year hiatus after Jimmy schooled him should tell you everything about an opponent George probably still has nightmares about to this day.

 

Yea, I think Young could have beaten him. An inshape Young was capable of beating anybody. Anibus, have you seen the young/Thomas or Young Shavers fights? Do you know where I can find them?

 

[QUOTE=Anubis;17615178]I'm convinced Jimmy was feigning distress when it appeared George staggered him at the outset of round seven, so Foreman could wildly expend himself over the entire three minutes. Young was the opposite of Ali when it came to psychological warfare, channeling Fitz in convincing everybody he was seriously stunned with an Academy Award winning quality acting job.

Jimmy had serious advantages in hand speed, defensive skill, stamina and slickness. Badly overlooked is what a talented body puncher he was for points scoring purposes (even Ali worked Foreman's body in Kinshasa), and George was there to be hit.

Not only do I believe Young would have won the decision over Gerry if he had not been cut by that surprising long right, Jimmy would have won a rematch by UD the following year.

Presuming Jimmy unloads enough jabs and other punches to outscore Foreman, he always defeats George by UD. Foreman simply didn't have the speed, accuracy or stamina to defeat an opponent with Young's defensive skills or hideously overlooked punch resistance to both body and head. (Gerry's hooks to the body made no impact on Jimmy. Franco Thomas tried keying Young's body, but swapping body blows with Jimmy didn't work, because then he'd dominate with scoring punches to the head.)

Frazier at his peak would have had to go the 15 round distance with Young and win on aggression, hustle and work rate to the body. (I don't think Smoke and Eddie Futch would even bother contemplating an attempt to stop Jimmy, just steadily pressure him with non-stop hooks underneath from opening to final bell.)

Lyle was taken to school twice by Young (Ron was always looking to better himself as a boxer with learning experiences like that to make up for his late start as a professional), and everybody who's seen the rematch between Jimmy and Earnie Shavers knows Young was robbed with an egregious draw. One did not pound Jimmy down and out once he'd matured.

Young would make it easy for Foreman to cut the ring off on him, then preemptively unload with rapid combinations out of the corners or off the ropes right when George would be about to pull the lanyard on his big slow guns. Foreman's ten year hiatus after Jimmy schooled him should tell you everything about an opponent George probably still has nightmares about to this day.[/QUOTE]:dealI agree 100% with this post.

 

No way.

 

No sir, I don't. if they had fought a rematch, lets say a 15 rounder, Foreman wouldn't have hit Young with anything big at all....and George wouldn't have seen final round either.

 

I really liked Young. George's style was made for Young. He loved to counter big punchers. Young had problems with fellow boxers though. I still can't believe he twice lost to the mediocre Ossie Ocassio. Young wasn't really shot when he lost to Ocassio.

As for the question of this thread, I think prime Young could outscore 1973 Foreman if he could get past the first few rounds. There is a chance George would take him out early and 1973 George was a great finisher. If I have to choose, I'll go with Jimmy Young W15 George Foreman or Young wins on a late tko over an exhausted Foreman.