Would Zhang destroy the chins of Chuvalo, Vitali, Tua, old Foreman, Mccall, Tony Tucker, Cobb

And how exactly would he do that?

The only way he gets to Foreman is by standing in front of him and trying to load up.

And we’ve all seen that movie before.

 

Appreciate the reply man. I learned something there.

 

Maybe, just like Parker and Kabayel did, but then Vitali'd just get up and proceed to beat the hell out of him. That said, Vitali's chin's better (or at least way more proven) than Kabayel and Parker's, so maybe he wouldn't even go down.

 

Vitali is one of the least hit boxers so his chin wasn't tested as much as some others.

But it's safe to say he has a chin after seeing him against Chisora with one arm then Sanders and in particular Lennox Lewis and not going down from the uppercut which he literally leaned right into.

 

Wilder was never ko'd early or with one punch previously due to his ducking ability.

 

He had a poor run as champion, but did face some punchers. Breazeale and Molina were poor but packed some power, so did Ortiz, Parker, and Stiverne. Fury had to hit him a LOT for him to stay down. Wilder got plenty of chin checks in his time but only Zhang did him in that fashion.

 

Nahh, Ali was never feather fisted, he's definitely no puncher but his palm slaps could crack,and he had to tire out big George for that too.

 

Nahh, Ali was never feather fisted, he's definitely no puncher but his palm slaps could crack,and he had to tire out big George for that too.

 

Agreed! If Kabayal can stop Zhang with body punches, prime Foreman would fold him like a cheap deck chair!

 

Based on what exactly? Look at the uppercut Lewis caught VK with and still come to the same nonsense conclusion. Zhang is a solid contender who beat a fighter in Joyce who's best win was a Dubois who prior to changing trainer, fought like he was often scared of his own shadow owing to his glaring lack of experience and self belief.

 

'due to his can crushing ability' fixed it just incase there was any ambiguity.

 

Have you ever bothered to actually watch the fight?

If you have, you will know Ali just wore George down in the heat and humidity of the Congo, to the point where George just couldn't stand up any longer and when he finally tumbled down, he was simply too exhausted to beat the count. George did bounce up straight after the referee counted 10 and chased Ali across the ring, so he hardly got sparked.

From memory, George was only off his feet in 3 of his 81 pro fights. Once in the 12th round against Jimmy Young, twice in the 4th round against Ron Lyle (a fight he went on to win) and the other against Ali. George was never stopped in his 26 fight amateur career either.

Keep it real. George had a career total of 107 fights, was stopped once and by no less than the man many argue was the greatest heavyweight to ever pull on a glove.

 

If you put them right in front of Zhang and just told him to punch them, yeah, there's a good chance. But in terms of a boxing match and actually being able to catch them enough to stop them? Mostly no, and I say that as a huge fan of Zhang.

There's no way in hell he knocks out Chuvalo and McCall. Those guys were in with some huge punchers in their day, even boxed well past the point they should've been in a ring, and yet they never once touched the canvas. Zhang's powerful but it's prolly nothing they haven't seen before, and if they can survive as long as they did against some of the guys they were in with, they can outlast Zhang's tank.

I doubt he'd land enough on Vitali to get him down. Zhang's power is real, but Vitali ate an uppercut from hell in his fight with Lennox and didn't go down, and was able to keep from getting hit with too much follow up too, so yeah that's also gonna be a no from me. He might trouble him with a counter akin to how Lennox did, but prolly not down him.

Against Foreman, I sincerely doubt it but I can't rule it out. If I recall right, Foreman was only ever downed four times in his career: Against Ali, which ultimately resulted in the stoppage, in the twelfth by Jimmy Young in a fight he lost, and twice in the fourth against Ron Lyle where he went on to win the fight the next round by stoppage. The Ali and Young knockdowns have absolutely no bearing on a Foreman-Zhang fight because they came late when Foreman got tired out by the movers, and... y'know, I really don't think further elaboration is needed there, this is Zhang we're talking about here But against Lyle it came in the fourth against a big puncher, and Foreman greatly benefited from the second one happening right before the bell rang.

That said, he managed to get up from the first knockdown and not only get back to fighting but also put Lyle down in return. Yes he was downed again at the end of the round and was probably saved by the bell in a manner of speaking, but he still got back to his feet. Besides, Zhang's shown that he has difficulty finishing folks off when they get back up. On top of that, it was four rounds of an absolute slug fest, and Zhang's not really shown he could bear that sort of thing, so for all those reasons I'll say he'd have a good chance of knocking Foreman down but likely not finish him.

I'm gonna say no on Tua since he was only ever downed once, if I recall right, and that was when he was at the end of his career anyways. Tony Tucker, I'll say yeah Zhang could knock him down, but not out. Tucker was downed in the third by Lennox Lewis in a fashion not too dissimilar to how Zhang knocked Joyce down. But Tucker beat the count and, unless I'm remembering wrong, was able to get Lennox in trouble at one point later on, so I'll say that Zhang could knock him down but prolly end up stopped himself, not unlike how the Kabayel fight went.

Cobb was one of those guys who was too damn tough for his own good and left a lot to be desired in his defense. He was sort of the Joe Joyce of his day, in that sense. Eh, what the hell, yeah I'll say Zhang could knock Tex out.

So in short, he'd have a chance at knocking down a few, but for the most part I don't think he'd crack any of these chins.

 

Ali’s demonstrated power might’ve appeared erratic during his career - and that can be reasonably explained by Ali’s chronically bad hands - which also impaired his prep at times, not just affecting him in real time combat.

Just prior to facing Foreman, Ali made it clear that his hands were actually fine…for a welcome change.

Though fatigue contributed to Foreman’s fall, Ali was still hitting him hard throughout the fight and such punishment will accelerate the draining of a fighter’s tank.

I’ve never counted the lead power right hands Ali threw - but there were plenty. The audacity! Haha

Also, Ali visibly stunned Foreman in round 4, well before Foreman’s lack of stamina/pacing could be blamed for same.

Fatigue also didn’t cause the various lumps on Foreman’s face by fight’s end.

The last punch, the right hand, was irrefutably a cracker - and Ali could’ve hit George again on the way down but clearly held back.

I believe that Ali didn’t want to spoil the aesthetics of the combo he threw just prior - and Foreman’s uninterrupted spiral to the canvas was somewhat balletic. Lol.

 

I think Zhang hits like King Kong but through boxing history, would the best chins arguably have the edge over the hardest punchers?

Many argue that Shavers biggest problem was that he lacked finishing abilities - but there were arguably several fighters who Earnie, (reputedly, among the hardest punchers in history), laid his best punches on without yielding KD and/or KO.

Some guys just have ridiculous chins - Stander and Cobb, just to name two from the 70s/80s era.