Wow... Frazier REALLY does hate Ali

Well, Joe Frazier can whine about Ali all he wants, but Joe never captured the attention of the whole world like Ali did and has........ Plus, Joe Frazier is NOT a good business man who knows how to market products for additional income..... In terms of popularity and making money, guys like Muhammad Ali and George Foreman blow Joe Frazier away..... You know, Joe's singing career aint exactly selling Gold albums..... Joe Frazier did not handle his cabbage very well, and I'm sure he's bitter when he see's dudes like "Ali, Foreman & Holmes" living a lavish lifestyle years after boxing....:fire:tong:shock:

MR.BILL

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Last I heard, Joe Frazier was divorced and living at his gym in the up in rafters, etc.... I'm sure it was cozy, but WTF?? I also heard he was trying to or already has sold the place....

 

I think everything has been said here about Ali and Frazier but I would like to say that If Frazier said that he´s the man who got Ali sick and is proud of it, then he loses all my respect and i´m sorry that Ali didn´t destroyed him totally. you don´t go around and an say that kind of stuff, you just don´t do.
Ali talked about Frazier as he did to get under his skin and to sell tickets and the media loved it, obviously he enjoyed the hype around it and continued with it since the reporters and people liked to hear those things.
Frazier was blind on one eye, perhaps Ali should have told him that he was the cause of that and that he was proud of it. He never did or he never would have - you just don´t say things like that.
Yes, i´m a big fan of Ali and yes i´m a big fan of Frazier as well. In my opinion he is one of the best ever, I just don´t like that he said those things, if Ali would have said something like that about Frazier I would have said he was stupid as well.
Two of the best fighters ever. There will never come another heaveyweights like those two.
All the best
The Predator

 

The greatest heavyweight trilogy is indeed "Ali-Frazier." However, "Holy-Bowe" is a close runner up...... Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles fought 4 X, but to me them fights weren't as classic as the above mentioned.... Peace....

MR.BILL

"Ali-Norton" was good stuff, but it falls short of truly classic, in my book.....

 

He seems to struggle with his own idenity with a phone message like that... so long after the event.. clearly has the feeling he's still in Ali's shadow. No need for him to remind callers who he is..

He may hate Ali with a passion, but without the Thrilla... Joe might have been close to forgotten after the Foreman belting..

 

Well said. I couldnt stand Clay before the video and nothings changed since viewing it. The guy is a huge ***** and got what he deserved. In my view Frasier is letting him off the hook. If I monetarily supported someone for years while they were unable to work only to have them belittle me on a national stage... I would bury that mother @#$#$^.

 

Ali took it way too far. He should, and as far as I know, is ashamed of what he said. He's apologised many times, and has never said a bad word about Joe since. Joe has sunk below that level by laughing at his physical illness, and unlike Ali, hasn't changed his attitude. Yeah, Ali was an arse-hole at time... but Frazier still is (towards Ali).

I just look at all of the work for charity, and all of the good deeds Ali committed over the years (from what I've read in many books), and they severely tilt the scale in favour of Ali being a good person, as opposed to ignorantly taking pre-fight hype way too far making him a bad person...

Get the **** over it.

 

Well thankfully for your sake you'll never have to support, nor fight 70's Ali. There'd only be one dude getting buried.

:good

 

Frazier respected Ali in Manila and vice versa.

Watch frazier give Ali's glove a tap at the end of the fourth or fifth.

Almost like a high five.


After the fight, Frazier said of Ali:

"Lordy, he's a great champion.

I hit him with shots that would bring down the walls of a city !"

And Ali, who had a million dollar side-bet with Frazier on the outcome, told Marvis Frazier:

"Joe don't owe me nothin "


There was mutual respect there.

 

Wasn't it blood pressure problems?
So they say...

 

Frazier gave everything he had in the FOTC in 1971.....he was never the same after that.as far as Ali calling Joe a Tom and the white people's champ....Ali has Irish in him...he has Irish ancestors....he has white in him....Frazier is the real black man here folks...

 

Ali always appealed to the Whites more so than Joe Frazier......... It also helped that Ali kept Angelo Dundee as his head trainer for damn near 20 yrs..... I'm not gonna say that Dundee was a better trainer than Yank Durham or Ed Futch, but Dundee was more popular......

MR.BILL

 

Ali had knocked Joe's mouthpiece out in round 14, and Frazier could no longer see Muhammad's punches coming. Dundee did not let a blinded Ali quit against Liston in Miami Beach, so he certainly wasn't going to let him quit in Manila.

Carlos Padilla has confirmed that he would have stopped the proceedings in Manila in favor of Ali around a minute into that last scheduled round if Joe kept getting hit.

Ali's 1975 campaign had tempered him to steel hardness and staying power, and he certainly had the energy left to stand up and hold his arms aloft when Futch called a halt. He actually held a little more in the tank than a completely exhausted Holmes did after his war with Norton. Earlier in the year, Muhammad collapsed after avenging his referee ruled knockdown against Wepner. In Manila, he would have gone on as long as it took.

The G.O.A.T. eliminated Ringo and Chuck in 15, finished Ellis in the 12 and final round, could have finished Mathis in 12 had he chosen to do so, and later nearly stopped Shavers in 15. Joe would not have lasted until the final bell with Padilla both refereeing and also judging the contest, having Ali insurmountably ahead on his scorecard 66-60. By that point, both men were virtually slapping at each other, but Muhammad was still aiming with two good eyes.

Don't forget that Ali later wanted to continue against Holmes at the time Dundee stopped that massacre (although Muhammad admitted the following morning that his chief second had indeed done the right thing).

 

So wait, Frazier saying he's the one who made Ali like he is today is bad, but you wish Ali had made Frazier like that?

That's a bit contradictory.

 

He was suffering from hyper-tension also, not really good when your fighting !

 

You have touched on the essence of Frazier's rancor.

Joe was born to be an honorable fighter; as such, I can only imagine how much these events must weigh on his mind, day after day, decade after decade.

This was certainly not merely a case of overlooking childish antics. Frazier felt betrayed, and he was repeatedly attacked for all the world and posterity to see and hear, at his very core: his intelligence, his appearance, his ability for his chosen occupation, his family, his very race. Ali's stupidity hurt Joe much more than Foreman's crushing blows ever did.

But, of course, for his sake, he must get over it.

Ali's repeated indirect overtures perhaps ring hollow to this man for one simple reason: Ali did it publicly; if he means it, he should unequivocally apologize to Joe directly, face-to-face, in public, as well.

It would be an honorable end to the greatest trilogy of an honorable sport of so many tragic and dishonorable denouements.