WOW - James Toney fought 22 times in 2 YEARS

He needed that in order to keep his weight down.

 

So using steroids when he was fighting 60 lbs over his natural fighting weight means we should ignore all the great things he did in his career up to that point?

 

Why? Compare them at their best. What does Calzaghe do that Toney can't deal with?

If inactive 43 year old Hopkins can fight him the way he did, why wouldn't a prime Toney destroy Calzaghe? He would KNOCK HIM OUT.

 

toney prime vs calzaghe prime = toney ko 4

 

James is as old school as they come..it is pretty amazing..He'd fight everyone to..From the bums to the elite..

 

Dam right brother

 

Dont think so, Montell Griffin had his number when he was prime or near his prime. Roy totally outclassed him, of course Roy in his prime is above anyone but still.

 

Why not? Give use your analysis of the fight. Break it down for us.

Everyone knows why people who think Toney would win, but tell us why you think that wouldn't happen, and if you think so - how Calzaghe would win.

 

What is it about Calzaghe that you predict Toney KO 4? Does he have a weak chin or something? I see this fight going the distance and I see it as a close fight, I'm not sure about the winner. Toney was completly outclassed by Roy Jones Junior. He struggled badly against Montell Griffin and we are talking about a prime Toney here. Toney was very solid, very good defense but its not like he had a Mike Tyson punch or RJJ speed.

 

julio cesar chavez once fought two times in one month.

 

I didn't just say "prime" I said "At their best". Toney completely underestimated Jones, came in out of shape. Calzaghe at his best still makes mistakes and is open to counter punches, of which Toney is the MASTER of. Calzaghe at his best barely beat Hopkins, and got knocked down in the first round, and hurt again later. Montell Griffin just had Toney's number. The same thing happens to many great fighters, such as Roy Jones with Antonio Tarver. Calzaghe has only fought one or maybe two legitimately great fighters, and none anywhere near the top of their game, so we don't really have anything to go by as far as how beatable he is, except for what fighters are able to do successfully against him. If a fighter like Mikkel Kessler is able to figure out Calzaghe's openings enough to nail him with a few hard uppercuts, a great fighter like Toney would be able to pick him apart. Calzaghe is a good fighter, but though many say he is in the division at the wrong time, he's really in it at the right time. A time without much competition to give him a hard time.

Calzaghe does not have a weak chin, but he can be hurt, and Toney could do it. He beat Bernard on work rate ALONE. He didn't land any meaningful punches, he didnt even hardly try to throw them. If he fought Toney like that, Toney would exchange with him while he's throwing those flurries and knock him out. If Calzaghe sat down on his punches more, with straight lefts and right hooks, Toney would counter them. And of course if Calzaghe tries to go forward as much as he likes to do, Toney will fight with him on the inside and not give Calzaghe any room to throw punches like he likes to. Toney is a FANTASTIC inside fighter, he would murder Calzaghe there.

Jones got to him by throwing from unorthodox angles and using his 'chicken fighting' moves. Calzaghe is unorthodox, but not in the way it would trouble Toney.

 

So many flaws with this paragraph alone I didn't really bother to read the rest.

That excuse is not legitimate. Basically what you're saying is that Toney is a ****ing ****** if he did that, and that doesn't help your case. He gets up for Barkley but not Jones? Sure thing.

In close yes, on the outside not so much.

If that was Calzaghe at his best, Toney was at his best against Thadzi.

There's a difference between having someone's number and beating a past prime fighter. Jones would've smoked Tarver in his prime. The same was never true of Toney/Griffin, though at the time Griffin was a very difficult fighter to figure out.

In that case, if a fighter like Dave Tiberi is able to outbrawl Toney and tough him up only to be robbed, Calzaghe would be able to tear him apart. For one thing, Calzaghe is no longer at his best. For another, Kessler was an outside fighter, not a pocket counter-puncher who relied on picking apart brawlers at his best. Therefore it's logical to assume Calzaghe's trouble was more on the outside with Kessler(even though he outdid him there as well). On the inside, while Joe leaves himself open a lot, he's also very crafty and skilld himself, and he holds the outside advantage on Toney.

Toney's trouble was with fast movers. A fast in and out mover is harder to time and tag clean, as he found out with Jones. Calzaghe is no Jones, but his in and out speed would make it hard for Toney to time, and his own craftiness on the inside would allow him to hang, although that is Toney's area. Joe is capable of outboxing Toney from the outside, and taking him off his game, even though Toney will undoubtedly be landing clean on counters at times. He wouldn't, however, be picking Calzaghe apart like Barkley. He'd have a lot more trouble with Calzaghe's quick in and out movement.

He'd have fared well at his best against all of them other than Jones.